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You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.

ta_ca 5y ago
i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?
- bawolff 5y ago
  I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.
  - ta_ca 5y ago
    that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.
      - runarberg 5y ago
        The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.
        joelbluminator 5y ago
        Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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        bawolff 5y ago
        Your option 2 is that Israel should annex Palestine? I can't imagine palestine would like that very much and i think that's also a war crime. The two state solution seems like the most likely way forward, but if it was easy it would have happened already. After all, it failed in the 40s, and since then a lot of hate has built up on both sides.
        runarberg 5y ago
        No, Annexation is apart from the single state solution. The gist of the single state solution is that there will be one state (lets call it Israel-Palestine for this purpose) with a new constitution. One benefit of the one state solution is the fact that resettlements of west-bank Israelis can be avoided. Of course that might mean that the current settlements which are illegal under international law will not be answered for. Although ideally, along with the formation of the new Israel-Palestine an international war tribunal would find the people responsible for planning these settlements guilty of war crimes and make them pay with a hefty prison sentence. This is different from annexation which would basically mean a surrender for the Palestinians. Israel would continue as is with the current constitution. Palestinians would become Israeli citizens but on the terms of the Israelis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution
    - Thristle 5y ago
      How bout you don't assume it's "poison" if Israelis don't share your personal views on this. Its easier to call this an "ethnic cleansing" or "attacking civilian" then to actually admit that Gaza strip is a separate entity from Israel (unlike the west Bank). Israel doesn't want that land (or else they would leave it years ago or do a better job claiming it) They don't want to "clear the land of Palestinians" (or else they would just bomb them continuously instead of only when an escalation like this starts) The fact is that in times of relative peace, Gaza receives some aid from Israel (power, water, medicine). The fact that this aid is conditional is only logical. Yes, settlements are bad. But this is not the main reason why this is happening. The more co-existing west Bank have much better relations with Israel then the separated Gaza strip(although in the past, Gaza had much better relations as well-trade and workers could move almost freely)

i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?

bawolff 5y ago
I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.
- ta_ca 5y ago
  that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.
    - runarberg 5y ago
      The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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      - bawolff 5y ago
        Your option 2 is that Israel should annex Palestine? I can't imagine palestine would like that very much and i think that's also a war crime. The two state solution seems like the most likely way forward, but if it was easy it would have happened already. After all, it failed in the 40s, and since then a lot of hate has built up on both sides.
        runarberg 5y ago
        No, Annexation is apart from the single state solution. The gist of the single state solution is that there will be one state (lets call it Israel-Palestine for this purpose) with a new constitution. One benefit of the one state solution is the fact that resettlements of west-bank Israelis can be avoided. Of course that might mean that the current settlements which are illegal under international law will not be answered for. Although ideally, along with the formation of the new Israel-Palestine an international war tribunal would find the people responsible for planning these settlements guilty of war crimes and make them pay with a hefty prison sentence. This is different from annexation which would basically mean a surrender for the Palestinians. Israel would continue as is with the current constitution. Palestinians would become Israeli citizens but on the terms of the Israelis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution
  - Thristle 5y ago
    How bout you don't assume it's "poison" if Israelis don't share your personal views on this. Its easier to call this an "ethnic cleansing" or "attacking civilian" then to actually admit that Gaza strip is a separate entity from Israel (unlike the west Bank). Israel doesn't want that land (or else they would leave it years ago or do a better job claiming it) They don't want to "clear the land of Palestinians" (or else they would just bomb them continuously instead of only when an escalation like this starts) The fact is that in times of relative peace, Gaza receives some aid from Israel (power, water, medicine). The fact that this aid is conditional is only logical. Yes, settlements are bad. But this is not the main reason why this is happening. The more co-existing west Bank have much better relations with Israel then the separated Gaza strip(although in the past, Gaza had much better relations as well-trade and workers could move almost freely)