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> israel did this, palestinian civilians did that Hamas. The terror organization linked to Iran. Hamas. Not civilians, terrorists are responsible here. No acto

> israel did this, palestinian civilians did that Hamas. The terror organization linked to Iran. Hamas. Not civilians, terrorists are responsible here. No actor in this is innocent. Hamas had this strategy for years, they can't defeat Israel, but dead children in Gaza are perfect to ruin Israel's reputation in the world. And that is the strategy Iran followed for years now, and it is a well documented strategy for ISIL/Daesh and Al quaida.

ta_ca 5y ago
you know what would not ruin their reputation? not killing civilians and children. which is possible if you stop demonizing then killing them.
- dna_polymerase 5y ago
  You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.
  - ta_ca 5y ago
    i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?
    - bawolff 5y ago
      I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.
      - ta_ca 5y ago
        that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid
        joelbluminator 5y ago
        I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.
        runarberg 5y ago
        The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.
        joelbluminator 5y ago
        Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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open0 5y ago
What a dumb take.
mseidl 5y ago
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c... Israel is responsible for Hamas coming to power to fight the PLO. But it turns out they were way worse then the PLO ever was.

ta_ca 5y ago

you know what would not ruin their reputation? not killing civilians and children. which is possible if you stop demonizing then killing them.

dna_polymerase 5y ago
You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.
- ta_ca 5y ago
  i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?
  - bawolff 5y ago
    I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.
    - ta_ca 5y ago
      that one is really easy. first and foremost, i would stop poisoning the minds of my own precious youth. that is going to hit home some day, you can not avoid it. second, i would stop the new sattlements and system of apartheid
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        I totally agree about the settlements but truth is thats not nearly enough for Hammas. They made it clear Israel is Palestine and jews have no business living there since they are colonists etc etc. Jews should basically f** off back to Europe. So again, as an Israeli what would you do? Europe is not so appealing to jews lately.
        runarberg 5y ago
        The international community is adamant about a two state solution. So one option for the Israeli government is to grant Palestine independence. Hamas has not always been a majority government in Palestine and chances are that an independent Palestine will not support Hamas in it’s skirmishes against a separate Israel state. Another option is a one state solution. Israel could grant every Palestinian a citizenship and with it a right to vote in national elections. There is zero chance that Hamas will have significant power in a unified parliament, and if they continue acts of terrorism in a unified non-apartheid state they can be tackled with a standard police force. Basically what Israel shouldn’t do, is continue this current affair of keeping Palestine an occupied territory with accompanying apartheid system.
        joelbluminator 5y ago
        Both options are not very likely to succeed and I am being generous here.
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open0 5y ago

What a dumb take.

mseidl 5y ago

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c... Israel is responsible for Hamas coming to power to fight the PLO. But it turns out they were way worse then the PLO ever was.