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Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

24 points by necromanc 5y ago

ta_ca 5y ago
go to your profile, enable shadowdead and check last 2 days for the keywords israel|palestine not surprisingly this one made it to front page. i am unable to classify what this one is, is it propaganda or just a sanitized trash. the subject line gives away alot of to things you are going to see on the video. an example: israel did this, palestinian civilians did that, then israel did this, as a result hamas shot rockets at them, and understandably israel bombed them which resulted tens of death. understandably and tens of death, let that sink in. tens of death was the children figures alone.
- bawolff 5y ago
  Umm its a war (or at least an active armed conflict). Did you think that innocents don't die in war? Or that violence doesn't escalate by 1 side doing X and the other side doing Y in respone, and so forth? If that didn't apply to this conflict it would probably be the first armed conflict in human history where that was the case.
  - ta_ca 5y ago
    this entire conflict is like a big house raid, there is no war.
    - bawolff 5y ago
      Dictionary definition of war: "a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state." Its clearly a conflict. Its clearly armed; both sides are shooting weapons at each other. Israel is a state. Hamas is a bit less clear cut but its the defacto government of gaza, which isn't technically a state (edit: debatable, maybe it is technically, idk), but is at least a self-governing territory. Sounds pretty war-ish to me.
- dna_polymerase 5y ago
  > israel did this, palestinian civilians did that Hamas. The terror organization linked to Iran. Hamas. Not civilians, terrorists are responsible here. No actor in this is innocent. Hamas had this strategy for years, they can't defeat Israel, but dead children in Gaza are perfect to ruin Israel's reputation in the world. And that is the strategy Iran followed for years now, and it is a well documented strategy for ISIL/Daesh and Al quaida.
  - ta_ca 5y ago
    you know what would not ruin their reputation? not killing civilians and children. which is possible if you stop demonizing then killing them.
    - dna_polymerase 5y ago
      You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.
      - ta_ca 5y ago
        i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?
        bawolff 5y ago
        I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.
bawolff 5y ago
I had no idea this whole thing started basically over covid restrictions. The geopolitical details in this video were quite interesting and something i rarely see talked about. Guess this whole area is a powder keg and all it needed was a small shove.
potiuper 5y ago
Surprising there has not been a push for a larger Starshot like laser to be built on the high ground near by the Gaza border. https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weapon-targets-explosive-balloons-gaza-4407646 https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weap...
- Thristle 5y ago
  Is that laser based air defense? It was tested in israel but was canceled because of high cost and inability to scale
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    That was in the 90’s tho https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser Technology has evolved and most importantly the threat factor has evolved. Hamas and Hezbollah can now cripple the Israeli economy by forcing the population to shelter in place and being able to hit essentially every corner of Israel. When THEL was tested the threat was much more localized to the border towns of northern Israel and at the time the settlements in Gaza which in the overall scheme of things it was more of a nuisance than a strategic threat. If Hamas’s capability to strike Israel remained static and was limited to circa 2004-2005 when the first rocket strikes began to appear even Iron Dome might not have been developed and deployed at the scale it has today.
ykevinator3 5y ago
Israel and Palestine are both monoracial dinosaurs. They should just let their citizens start dating and the problem would go away.

24 points by necromanc 5y ago

go to your profile, enable shadowdead and check last 2 days for the keywords israel|palestine not surprisingly this one made it to front page. i am unable to classify what this one is, is it propaganda or just a sanitized trash. the subject line gives away alot of to things you are going to see on the video. an example: israel did this, palestinian civilians did that, then israel did this, as a result hamas shot rockets at them, and understandably israel bombed them which resulted tens of death. understandably and tens of death, let that sink in. tens of death was the children figures alone.

bawolff 5y ago
Umm its a war (or at least an active armed conflict). Did you think that innocents don't die in war? Or that violence doesn't escalate by 1 side doing X and the other side doing Y in respone, and so forth? If that didn't apply to this conflict it would probably be the first armed conflict in human history where that was the case.
- ta_ca 5y ago
  this entire conflict is like a big house raid, there is no war.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    Dictionary definition of war: "a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state." Its clearly a conflict. Its clearly armed; both sides are shooting weapons at each other. Israel is a state. Hamas is a bit less clear cut but its the defacto government of gaza, which isn't technically a state (edit: debatable, maybe it is technically, idk), but is at least a self-governing territory. Sounds pretty war-ish to me.
dna_polymerase 5y ago
> israel did this, palestinian civilians did that Hamas. The terror organization linked to Iran. Hamas. Not civilians, terrorists are responsible here. No actor in this is innocent. Hamas had this strategy for years, they can't defeat Israel, but dead children in Gaza are perfect to ruin Israel's reputation in the world. And that is the strategy Iran followed for years now, and it is a well documented strategy for ISIL/Daesh and Al quaida.
- ta_ca 5y ago
  you know what would not ruin their reputation? not killing civilians and children. which is possible if you stop demonizing then killing them.
  - dna_polymerase 5y ago
    You know what would stop Israel's reaction? Not shooting fucking rockets at their territory.
    - ta_ca 5y ago
      i am not expecting anything worth of value from this exchange but lets just try. what would you do if you were a Palestinian?
      - bawolff 5y ago
        I'm curious what you would do in Israel's place? I'm pretty sure that almost no country would take kindly to the de-facto government of a self-governed territory shooting rockets at civilian targets. FWIW: my take is there's decades of blood on both side's hands, with no obvious way out of the cycle of violence. Which is just very sad all around. If i lived in gaza, i would probably be sympathetic to them. If i lived in Israel i'd probably be sympathetic to Israel. Thankfully i live no where near either of them, so i can live my privileged life in peace without having to worry about the entrentched problems of that region.

bawolff 5y ago

I had no idea this whole thing started basically over covid restrictions. The geopolitical details in this video were quite interesting and something i rarely see talked about. Guess this whole area is a powder keg and all it needed was a small shove.

potiuper 5y ago

Surprising there has not been a push for a larger Starshot like laser to be built on the high ground near by the Gaza border. https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weapon-targets-explosive-balloons-gaza-4407646 https://www.voanews.com/episode/israels-space-age-laser-weap...

Thristle 5y ago
Is that laser based air defense? It was tested in israel but was canceled because of high cost and inability to scale
- dogma1138 5y ago
  That was in the 90’s tho https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser Technology has evolved and most importantly the threat factor has evolved. Hamas and Hezbollah can now cripple the Israeli economy by forcing the population to shelter in place and being able to hit essentially every corner of Israel. When THEL was tested the threat was much more localized to the border towns of northern Israel and at the time the settlements in Gaza which in the overall scheme of things it was more of a nuisance than a strategic threat. If Hamas’s capability to strike Israel remained static and was limited to circa 2004-2005 when the first rocket strikes began to appear even Iron Dome might not have been developed and deployed at the scale it has today.

ykevinator3 5y ago

Israel and Palestine are both monoracial dinosaurs. They should just let their citizens start dating and the problem would go away.