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Ending the consideration of the SAT's and ACT's doesn't mean the end of testing. I imagine passing an AP test will now be more valuable than before. Hopefully u

Ending the consideration of the SAT's and ACT's doesn't mean the end of testing. I imagine passing an AP test will now be more valuable than before. Hopefully universities will take the opportunity to develop a better test, one which aligns to the major the student wishes to enter.

gnicholas 5y ago
This only applies for AP tests taken in 11th grade (or 10th, where possible). AP tests taken during 12th grade won't be graded — or even administered — before admissions decisions are made. Also, any argument that favors ignoring SAT/ACT scores would also apply to AP tests. In fact, the barrier to AP tests is much higher. Any kid can sign up for the SAT, get a fee waiver (if applicable), and study with books from the public library. Taking an AP test is much more complicated; I don't know if it's even possible if your school doesn't offer the course.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  You can take the AP test without the AP class, and an AP class is like a magnitude more easy than the SATs. Nobody studies for a class for years, yet on the SAT they do. On the SATs you’re studying how to memorize the ocean. With AP classes you’re taking a “college level” course that allows you to save money by skipping courses. You can’t meaningfully Khan Academy SATs, and yet it is a world class resource for standard K-12 instruction.
  - Balgair 5y ago
    > that allows you to save money by skipping courses. At least in my limited experience with the people at the UCs, the AP classes only counted toward credit hours. They did not count towards GE and Major requirements. In that, if you got a 5 on the Physics AP, you still had to take Physics I to get the GE and Major requirements [0]. Also, your score on the AP test was the credit hours you received. So a 3 on the US History AP only gave 3 credit hours, while a 5 on the Chemistry would give 5. The people I know that went through this had done so a while back. So thing may have changed, of course. [0] As in, if you needed/wanted to later take Physics II, you had to take Physics I at the UC, the AP test would not waive the requirement.
  - gnicholas 5y ago
    > On the SATs you’re studying how to memorize the ocean They must have changed since when I took them. At that time it was a pretty well-defined list of mathematical concepts and language skills. The only memorization I remember was vocabulary, which wasn't ocean-sized by my recollection.

gnicholas 5y ago

This only applies for AP tests taken in 11th grade (or 10th, where possible). AP tests taken during 12th grade won't be graded — or even administered — before admissions decisions are made. Also, any argument that favors ignoring SAT/ACT scores would also apply to AP tests. In fact, the barrier to AP tests is much higher. Any kid can sign up for the SAT, get a fee waiver (if applicable), and study with books from the public library. Taking an AP test is much more complicated; I don't know if it's even possible if your school doesn't offer the course.

threatofrain 5y ago
You can take the AP test without the AP class, and an AP class is like a magnitude more easy than the SATs. Nobody studies for a class for years, yet on the SAT they do. On the SATs you’re studying how to memorize the ocean. With AP classes you’re taking a “college level” course that allows you to save money by skipping courses. You can’t meaningfully Khan Academy SATs, and yet it is a world class resource for standard K-12 instruction.
- Balgair 5y ago
  > that allows you to save money by skipping courses. At least in my limited experience with the people at the UCs, the AP classes only counted toward credit hours. They did not count towards GE and Major requirements. In that, if you got a 5 on the Physics AP, you still had to take Physics I to get the GE and Major requirements [0]. Also, your score on the AP test was the credit hours you received. So a 3 on the US History AP only gave 3 credit hours, while a 5 on the Chemistry would give 5. The people I know that went through this had done so a while back. So thing may have changed, of course. [0] As in, if you needed/wanted to later take Physics II, you had to take Physics I at the UC, the AP test would not waive the requirement.
- gnicholas 5y ago
  > On the SATs you’re studying how to memorize the ocean They must have changed since when I took them. At that time it was a pretty well-defined list of mathematical concepts and language skills. The only memorization I remember was vocabulary, which wasn't ocean-sized by my recollection.