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They may be confusing, but I highly doubt a human driver would pull to the middle of the road and stop for 5+ minutes as drivers honked and drove around. Hones

They may be confusing, but I highly doubt a human driver would pull to the middle of the road and stop for 5+ minutes as drivers honked and drove around. Honestly, if it had just stayed on the side street, I wouldn't be so critical, but the fact that even after an assistance team was dispatched, the car pulled into the main highway and then immediately stopped would have frightened me enough to get out of the car and wait on the sidewalk. You can also see a moment where the car starts to pull out into traffic as another car is passing it and then immediately slams on the brakes.

chris_wot 5y ago
I seriously think that if the car is about to take off by itself unexpected, then it would be a bad idea to get out of it.
- loopz 5y ago
  If control by human is so poor, this is a huge murder vehicle. Sure the systems are improving, but programmers should see all sorts of problems with this that can't be mitigated.
  - ajross 5y ago
    > If [... then] this is a huge murder vehicle Stop it. Waymo vehicles (Tesla autonomy too, FWIW) are extremely safe, that is just an experimental fact. The circumstance in question here has nothing to do with safety, really. The bug is that it caused a traffic obstruction while the (human) operators attempted to get the car oriented. Hyperbolizing the circumstances is really not appropriate. This was not a safety situation, really, at any point.
    - carapace 5y ago
      You stop it. They are testing huge, fast robots in public streets. It's messed up. There's a joke among cyclists: "If you want to get away with killing someone just be sure that you're driving a car and they're riding a bike." We could make a similar joke about these killer robot cars. "If you want to test killer robots on the public just make sure they are shaped like cars." (And if you need to, you can throw in a "safety driver" as a sort of moral crumple zone to deflect the blame when your robot kills e.g. Elaine Herzberg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elaine_Herzberg#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elaine_Herzberg#After... ) - - - - We could build self-driving golf carts (slow, light, not so capable of killing) and work up to cars, eh? We don't have to go straight to fast heavy cars, eh?
    - loopz 5y ago
      Chill. It should just give pause for thought, not stop thought.
zitterbewegung 5y ago
I get confused about construction sites that are much well laid out than this. I think that I would have panicked and slowed down or actually drive in the wrong side of the cones. I acknowledge that it is weird that the remote assistance team can't remotely stop the vehicle and I agree that it should have behaved differently but maybe there is some kind of engineering reason or just a glitch. It seems to recalculate what to do three times.

chris_wot 5y ago

I seriously think that if the car is about to take off by itself unexpected, then it would be a bad idea to get out of it.

loopz 5y ago
If control by human is so poor, this is a huge murder vehicle. Sure the systems are improving, but programmers should see all sorts of problems with this that can't be mitigated.
- ajross 5y ago
  > If [... then] this is a huge murder vehicle Stop it. Waymo vehicles (Tesla autonomy too, FWIW) are extremely safe, that is just an experimental fact. The circumstance in question here has nothing to do with safety, really. The bug is that it caused a traffic obstruction while the (human) operators attempted to get the car oriented. Hyperbolizing the circumstances is really not appropriate. This was not a safety situation, really, at any point.
  - carapace 5y ago
    You stop it. They are testing huge, fast robots in public streets. It's messed up. There's a joke among cyclists: "If you want to get away with killing someone just be sure that you're driving a car and they're riding a bike." We could make a similar joke about these killer robot cars. "If you want to test killer robots on the public just make sure they are shaped like cars." (And if you need to, you can throw in a "safety driver" as a sort of moral crumple zone to deflect the blame when your robot kills e.g. Elaine Herzberg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elaine_Herzberg#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elaine_Herzberg#After... ) - - - - We could build self-driving golf carts (slow, light, not so capable of killing) and work up to cars, eh? We don't have to go straight to fast heavy cars, eh?
  - loopz 5y ago
    Chill. It should just give pause for thought, not stop thought.

zitterbewegung 5y ago

I get confused about construction sites that are much well laid out than this. I think that I would have panicked and slowed down or actually drive in the wrong side of the cones. I acknowledge that it is weird that the remote assistance team can't remotely stop the vehicle and I agree that it should have behaved differently but maybe there is some kind of engineering reason or just a glitch. It seems to recalculate what to do three times.