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>I think part of the resistance to accepting this possibility was that it was strongly associated with Trump supporters. I'm glad people won't be able to use th

>I think part of the resistance to accepting this possibility was that it was strongly associated with Trump supporters. I'm glad people won't be able to use the "that's a Trump supporter theory" bludgeon and we can start hearing experts talk about this in good faith. I still don't understand how they're ready to blame China so viciously for something that they tell us is just a flu and not even worth using face coverings or risking taking a vaccine. Not to mention magic cures like HCQ. All these efforts were just to deflect from the last government's failure to contain the virus. And they're not even internally consistent with each other. "The virus is not dangerous, the left is just hyping and faking it. But the not-dangerous virus is completely China and Fauci's dangerous fault and they must be raked over the coals for it so Trump doesn't have to take any responsibility". The whole thing is an insult to intelligence for anyone that doesn't just believe what they're told to. Regardless of where the virus came from, it'll keep happening like it did in history when there no labs, either naturally, a lab escape or a bio weapon. The right way is to be prepared for it, and take collective action to stop global pandemics.

dqv 5y ago
>I still don't understand how they're ready to blame China so viciously for something that they tell us is just a flu and not even worth using face coverings or risking taking a vaccine. Not to mention magic cures like HCQ. All these efforts were just to deflect from the last government's failure to contain the virus. And they're not even internally consistent with each other. "The virus is not dangerous, the left is just hyping and faking it. But the not-dangerous virus is completely China and Fauci's dangerous fault and they must be raked over the coals for it so Trump doesn't have to take any responsibility". This is more a collective inconsistency than an individual inconsistency. But yes these issues when layered with politics tend to just use whichever spaghetto sticks to the wall. >Regardless of where the virus came from, it'll keep happening like it did in history when there no labs, either naturally, a lab escape or a bio weapon. The right way is to be prepared for it, and take collective action to stop global pandemics. I still think it's important to find out where it came from. If leaked from a lab, what was done wrong that can be avoided in the future? If it really did happen out in the wild, how can monitoring be improved? The Trump administration was wholly ineffective at stopping it, but it's not like decisive action in the US would have stopped it from spreading elsewhere. Bolsonaro would still be president of Brazil. There is utility in getting as close to what really happened as possible and trying to mitigate it. Maybe virologists working directly with pathogens should have to wear masks out in public all the time. >The right way is to be prepared for it, and take collective action to stop global pandemics. I know this whole thing has changed me and I will be continuing to wear a mask in public well after the mask mandates have ended. Possibly forever.
- collyw 5y ago
  How can you blame Trump, when it has affected practically the whole world, except for some isolated islands?
  - dqv 5y ago
    I'm just now seeing this reply, but I'm not sure how you interpreted this: >The Trump administration was wholly ineffective at stopping it, but it's not like decisive action in the US would have stopped it from spreading elsewhere. As me blaming Trump for the virus affecting the whole world. The Trump administration was responsible for keeping the virus from spreading within the US and they failed to control it.
collyw 5y ago
I remember Trump wanted to stop flights from China, but that was branded Xenophobic, including by Joe Biden https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1240361258957897728 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1240361258957897728
collyw 5y ago
> magic cures like HCQ There are a number of studies where it seems to have been used quite effectively (and other studies with different outcomes). To label it a "magic cure" seems quite ignorant. https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid19-breaking-news-august-28-2020-new-belgian-large-cohort-study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-significantly-reduces-mortality/ https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid1...
- collyw 5y ago
  I guess from the downvotes that we really didn't like Trump suggesting HCQ as a cure. You are aware that the study used to discredit it was retracted due to crap data? But by that point the job was done, so one wanted to hear about it.

dqv 5y ago

>I still don't understand how they're ready to blame China so viciously for something that they tell us is just a flu and not even worth using face coverings or risking taking a vaccine. Not to mention magic cures like HCQ. All these efforts were just to deflect from the last government's failure to contain the virus. And they're not even internally consistent with each other. "The virus is not dangerous, the left is just hyping and faking it. But the not-dangerous virus is completely China and Fauci's dangerous fault and they must be raked over the coals for it so Trump doesn't have to take any responsibility". This is more a collective inconsistency than an individual inconsistency. But yes these issues when layered with politics tend to just use whichever spaghetto sticks to the wall. >Regardless of where the virus came from, it'll keep happening like it did in history when there no labs, either naturally, a lab escape or a bio weapon. The right way is to be prepared for it, and take collective action to stop global pandemics. I still think it's important to find out where it came from. If leaked from a lab, what was done wrong that can be avoided in the future? If it really did happen out in the wild, how can monitoring be improved? The Trump administration was wholly ineffective at stopping it, but it's not like decisive action in the US would have stopped it from spreading elsewhere. Bolsonaro would still be president of Brazil. There is utility in getting as close to what really happened as possible and trying to mitigate it. Maybe virologists working directly with pathogens should have to wear masks out in public all the time. >The right way is to be prepared for it, and take collective action to stop global pandemics. I know this whole thing has changed me and I will be continuing to wear a mask in public well after the mask mandates have ended. Possibly forever.

collyw 5y ago
How can you blame Trump, when it has affected practically the whole world, except for some isolated islands?
- dqv 5y ago
  I'm just now seeing this reply, but I'm not sure how you interpreted this: >The Trump administration was wholly ineffective at stopping it, but it's not like decisive action in the US would have stopped it from spreading elsewhere. As me blaming Trump for the virus affecting the whole world. The Trump administration was responsible for keeping the virus from spreading within the US and they failed to control it.

collyw 5y ago

I remember Trump wanted to stop flights from China, but that was branded Xenophobic, including by Joe Biden https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1240361258957897728 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1240361258957897728

collyw 5y ago

> magic cures like HCQ There are a number of studies where it seems to have been used quite effectively (and other studies with different outcomes). To label it a "magic cure" seems quite ignorant. https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid19-breaking-news-august-28-2020-new-belgian-large-cohort-study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-significantly-reduces-mortality/ https://spinstrangenesscharm.wordpress.com/2020/08/28/covid1...

collyw 5y ago
I guess from the downvotes that we really didn't like Trump suggesting HCQ as a cure. You are aware that the study used to discredit it was retracted due to crap data? But by that point the job was done, so one wanted to hear about it.