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> got overblown Musk was very intentional about promoting Tesla’s autopilot as equivalent of self-driving L4 (if I remember right), even getting into fights wi

> got overblown Musk was very intentional about promoting Tesla’s autopilot as equivalent of self-driving L4 (if I remember right), even getting into fights with people who questioned the validity of the claim.

simondotau 5y ago
Citation? If your description of Elon's statement is accurate, if he ever described the contemporaneous shipping Autopilot system as the "equivalent of self-driving L4" then I would change my mind on this matter immediately.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  I'm not sure if this is enough for you to change your mind, but I remembered his claims from last year, and they were virtually as exaggerated "U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla is “very close” to achieving level 5 autonomous driving technology, CEO Elon Musk said on Thursday, referring to the capability to navigate roads without any driver input. “I’m extremely confident that level 5, or essentially complete autonomy, will happen, and I think will happen very quickly,” Musk said in remarks made via a video message at the opening of Shanghai’s annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC). “I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year.” Obviously not exactly the same as making a definite statement about the capacity of current cars, but we all know what part of the message sticks with the public. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-very-close-to-level-5-autonomous-driving/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-v...
  - simondotau 5y ago
    Elon being utterly delusional around the timeframes of future Tesla product releases isn't interesting to me, as I don't think that's ever been disputed. But I would change my mind if Musk made an egregiously misleading statement about currently shipping technology. This is something frequently attributed to him—but always in vague terms. I've never actually seen it.

simondotau 5y ago

Citation? If your description of Elon's statement is accurate, if he ever described the contemporaneous shipping Autopilot system as the "equivalent of self-driving L4" then I would change my mind on this matter immediately.

Barrin92 5y ago
I'm not sure if this is enough for you to change your mind, but I remembered his claims from last year, and they were virtually as exaggerated "U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla is “very close” to achieving level 5 autonomous driving technology, CEO Elon Musk said on Thursday, referring to the capability to navigate roads without any driver input. “I’m extremely confident that level 5, or essentially complete autonomy, will happen, and I think will happen very quickly,” Musk said in remarks made via a video message at the opening of Shanghai’s annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC). “I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year.” Obviously not exactly the same as making a definite statement about the capacity of current cars, but we all know what part of the message sticks with the public. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-very-close-to-level-5-autonomous-driving/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-v...
- simondotau 5y ago
  Elon being utterly delusional around the timeframes of future Tesla product releases isn't interesting to me, as I don't think that's ever been disputed. But I would change my mind if Musk made an egregiously misleading statement about currently shipping technology. This is something frequently attributed to him—but always in vague terms. I've never actually seen it.