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I don't know, if they just called it co-pilot or wingman it'd still be cool, but also more accurate. I thought the big thing was bringing an electric car to mar

I don't know, if they just called it co-pilot or wingman it'd still be cool, but also more accurate. I thought the big thing was bringing an electric car to market, this feature got overblown and it's become dangerous.

simondotau 5y ago
How are those more accurate? Colloquially, to be "on autopilot" describes how one can mindlessly perform familiar actions which don't require novel thought. For example, walking home from the train station. I'm sure plenty of people have been injured or killed while walking around "on autopilot." In the context of a software feature, "autopilot" implies a computer control system which is capable of maintaining rudimentary ongoing control of the vehicle. Whereas a co-pilot is a whole other pilot. Surely that's worse, implying equivalence to a human sitting next to you, with comparable levels of training and skill, intuitively capable of taking over at any time. I wonder what would happen if Ford developed a system and called it "Co-pilot". We might never know.
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- throwaway8581 5y ago
  “Autopilot” is literally an airplane term and refers to systems that can take-off, cruise, and land the plane even in many adverse conditions without any human input.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    You are describing features available on a small minority of aircraft with autopilot features. The vast majority of aviation autopilot systems only control heading and basic flight stability. Literally the opening paragraph of Wikipedia: ”An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle, allowing the operator to focus on broader aspects of operations (for example, monitoring the trajectory, weather and on-board systems).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot
saimiam 5y ago
> got overblown Musk was very intentional about promoting Tesla’s autopilot as equivalent of self-driving L4 (if I remember right), even getting into fights with people who questioned the validity of the claim.
- simondotau 5y ago
  Citation? If your description of Elon's statement is accurate, if he ever described the contemporaneous shipping Autopilot system as the "equivalent of self-driving L4" then I would change my mind on this matter immediately.
  - Barrin92 5y ago
    I'm not sure if this is enough for you to change your mind, but I remembered his claims from last year, and they were virtually as exaggerated "U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla is “very close” to achieving level 5 autonomous driving technology, CEO Elon Musk said on Thursday, referring to the capability to navigate roads without any driver input. “I’m extremely confident that level 5, or essentially complete autonomy, will happen, and I think will happen very quickly,” Musk said in remarks made via a video message at the opening of Shanghai’s annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC). “I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year.” Obviously not exactly the same as making a definite statement about the capacity of current cars, but we all know what part of the message sticks with the public. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-very-close-to-level-5-autonomous-driving/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-v...
    - simondotau 5y ago
      Elon being utterly delusional around the timeframes of future Tesla product releases isn't interesting to me, as I don't think that's ever been disputed. But I would change my mind if Musk made an egregiously misleading statement about currently shipping technology. This is something frequently attributed to him—but always in vague terms. I've never actually seen it.

simondotau 5y ago

How are those more accurate? Colloquially, to be "on autopilot" describes how one can mindlessly perform familiar actions which don't require novel thought. For example, walking home from the train station. I'm sure plenty of people have been injured or killed while walking around "on autopilot." In the context of a software feature, "autopilot" implies a computer control system which is capable of maintaining rudimentary ongoing control of the vehicle. Whereas a co-pilot is a whole other pilot. Surely that's worse, implying equivalence to a human sitting next to you, with comparable levels of training and skill, intuitively capable of taking over at any time. I wonder what would happen if Ford developed a system and called it "Co-pilot". We might never know.

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throwaway8581 5y ago
“Autopilot” is literally an airplane term and refers to systems that can take-off, cruise, and land the plane even in many adverse conditions without any human input.
- simondotau 5y ago
  You are describing features available on a small minority of aircraft with autopilot features. The vast majority of aviation autopilot systems only control heading and basic flight stability. Literally the opening paragraph of Wikipedia: ”An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle, allowing the operator to focus on broader aspects of operations (for example, monitoring the trajectory, weather and on-board systems).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot

saimiam 5y ago

> got overblown Musk was very intentional about promoting Tesla’s autopilot as equivalent of self-driving L4 (if I remember right), even getting into fights with people who questioned the validity of the claim.

simondotau 5y ago
Citation? If your description of Elon's statement is accurate, if he ever described the contemporaneous shipping Autopilot system as the "equivalent of self-driving L4" then I would change my mind on this matter immediately.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  I'm not sure if this is enough for you to change your mind, but I remembered his claims from last year, and they were virtually as exaggerated "U.S. electric vehicle maker Tesla is “very close” to achieving level 5 autonomous driving technology, CEO Elon Musk said on Thursday, referring to the capability to navigate roads without any driver input. “I’m extremely confident that level 5, or essentially complete autonomy, will happen, and I think will happen very quickly,” Musk said in remarks made via a video message at the opening of Shanghai’s annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC). “I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year.” Obviously not exactly the same as making a definite statement about the capacity of current cars, but we all know what part of the message sticks with the public. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-very-close-to-level-5-autonomous-driving/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-v...
  - simondotau 5y ago
    Elon being utterly delusional around the timeframes of future Tesla product releases isn't interesting to me, as I don't think that's ever been disputed. But I would change my mind if Musk made an egregiously misleading statement about currently shipping technology. This is something frequently attributed to him—but always in vague terms. I've never actually seen it.