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> it also pops up if you insert Genuine battery from another brand new iphone. It’s almost always going to be triggered by a replacement battery of unknown ori

by zepto 5y ago

> it also pops up if you insert Genuine battery from another brand new iphone. It’s almost always going to be triggered by a replacement battery of unknown origin and almost never by someone taking a battery from a brand new iPhone, so this is an obvious red herring.

rasz 5y ago
> almost never by someone taking a battery from a brand new iPhone This is incorrect. There is no almost, all original Apple brand new batteries will trigger scareware until battery is crypto paired with the phone using RepairCal. Oh, and you cant see battery cycle count to be sure you got a good battery, apps showing cycle count were removed from app store for some absolutely coincidental and unrelated reason.
- zepto 5y ago
  > This is incorrect. Not at all. It will almost never happen because it’s not something people generally do. It’s a meaningless red herring.
  - rasz 5y ago
    Yes, just like farmers never self service modern John Deere tractors, that just "isnt something people generally do". Talking about self service is a meaningless red herring, clearly!
    - zepto 5y ago
      That’s not an analogy. We’re not talking about self service - we’re talking about the red herring of taking batteries from new iPhones to put them in old ones. That isn’t an example of “self service”. It isn’t something people do. If you are doing self service, nothing stops you from ignoring the warning if you know what you are doing.
parineum 5y ago
It would have been trivial for Apple to sign the batteries as genuine instead they tie it to a specific serial number. The level of effort to those two solutions is very similar. The decision of which to do is a business decision.
- zepto 5y ago
  The signature would just be cloned.
  - parineum 5y ago
    Are you familiar with private keys?
    - drdeca 5y ago
      Elaborate. What is preventing copying the same exact message, with the same exact signature? If the message is the same, the signature should still be valid for the message, even if one cannot produce a valid signature for any other message. Is there a reason the same message wouldn’t work?
    - zepto 5y ago
      Yes. Because there is nothing unique about batteries, there is no way to defend against a replay attack in this scenario.
    - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
      Are folks here just so anti-apple that they make up these "easy" solutions (which of course are totally bogus)? Please explain how private keys resolve this issue (knowing that scammers will be a) getting access to lots of existing dying batteries and b) may even buy and return new phones to pull out their genuine batteries.
      - zepto 5y ago
        > Are folks here just so anti-apple that they make up these "easy" solutions I think it’s the other way around. People in general underestimate how complex technical solutions actually are, and this leads to attributing malice to those who appear to be withholding those simple solutions. In many ways it’s a manifestation of the ‘fundamental attribution error’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error I don’t think this is specific to Apple, it’s just a general cognitive bias.

by zepto 5y ago

rasz 5y ago

> almost never by someone taking a battery from a brand new iPhone This is incorrect. There is no almost, all original Apple brand new batteries will trigger scareware until battery is crypto paired with the phone using RepairCal. Oh, and you cant see battery cycle count to be sure you got a good battery, apps showing cycle count were removed from app store for some absolutely coincidental and unrelated reason.

zepto 5y ago
> This is incorrect. Not at all. It will almost never happen because it’s not something people generally do. It’s a meaningless red herring.
- rasz 5y ago
  Yes, just like farmers never self service modern John Deere tractors, that just "isnt something people generally do". Talking about self service is a meaningless red herring, clearly!
  - zepto 5y ago
    That’s not an analogy. We’re not talking about self service - we’re talking about the red herring of taking batteries from new iPhones to put them in old ones. That isn’t an example of “self service”. It isn’t something people do. If you are doing self service, nothing stops you from ignoring the warning if you know what you are doing.

parineum 5y ago

It would have been trivial for Apple to sign the batteries as genuine instead they tie it to a specific serial number. The level of effort to those two solutions is very similar. The decision of which to do is a business decision.

zepto 5y ago
The signature would just be cloned.
- parineum 5y ago
  Are you familiar with private keys?
  - drdeca 5y ago
    Elaborate. What is preventing copying the same exact message, with the same exact signature? If the message is the same, the signature should still be valid for the message, even if one cannot produce a valid signature for any other message. Is there a reason the same message wouldn’t work?
  - zepto 5y ago
    Yes. Because there is nothing unique about batteries, there is no way to defend against a replay attack in this scenario.
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    Are folks here just so anti-apple that they make up these "easy" solutions (which of course are totally bogus)? Please explain how private keys resolve this issue (knowing that scammers will be a) getting access to lots of existing dying batteries and b) may even buy and return new phones to pull out their genuine batteries.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > Are folks here just so anti-apple that they make up these "easy" solutions I think it’s the other way around. People in general underestimate how complex technical solutions actually are, and this leads to attributing malice to those who appear to be withholding those simple solutions. In many ways it’s a manifestation of the ‘fundamental attribution error’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error I don’t think this is specific to Apple, it’s just a general cognitive bias.