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Just half year ago, each and every comment in this thread would be flagged/dead for "spreading disinformation". It's interesting to see how quickly the narrativ

by akomtu 5y ago

Just half year ago, each and every comment in this thread would be flagged/dead for "spreading disinformation". It's interesting to see how quickly the narrative changes.

ergot_vacation 5y ago
Events of the past four or five years have trained me to look for moments when the mainstream media moves in lockstep to INTENSELY deny something or "debunk"/set the record straight etc. Whenever the lady doth protest too much, it's a good sign there really is something going on, and the people who own the media really, really don't want you to know. To be fair, a number of suspicions about Covid have turned out to be false alarms as time has gone on, as was always going to be the case. "Fog of war" and all that. But it was clear from the beginning that the lab origin story had potential, precisely because it was so vehemently denied.
- refurb 5y ago
  Not sure why you’re so downvoted. This is exactly what happened during the Iraq War. The official truth was Saddam had WMDs and all the mass media held to that line with a few exceptions. It was all wrong.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  it was also plainly plausible, really.
- collyw 5y ago
  How do you feel about the vaccine? I am not an anti vaxxer, I have had plenty in the past, but when we have Prince Harry, David Beckham telling you take the vaccine it seems a bit off. I don't understand why it is being forced upon the whole population, when it should be like the flu vaccine - give it to those at risk.
  - tatersolid 5y ago
    We want to reduce the level of virus circulating to prevent further mutations which might be more deadly (see India/Brazil) or evade the vaccines we have now. If you want to go back to “normal” anytime soon, do your part and get vaccinated.
    - collyw 5y ago
      Read up on Marek's disease in chicken. Vaccines have literally created a more deadly form of the disease.
acdha 5y ago
You’re conflating a couple of different things: the conspiracy theories that it had been some kind of bioweapon leak or intentional were heavily rejected, as were claims purporting that this had been proven, but the idea that this was an accidental leak has been around since the beginning and were not especially controversial as a possibility. It’s a basic lab safety scenario and anyone who raised it in good faith, acknowledging the need for actual evidence, etc. didn’t seem to have trouble being heard. I certainly read plenty of people saying the possibility couldn’t be ruled out.
whipaway 5y ago
This is precisely what I thought. I can't wait to see the ahistoric revisionism reacting to stuff like this, the same people that did the instant downvote brigades acting as arbiters with complete "scientific" certainty.
refurb 5y ago
Yup and exact reason why all this talk about censoring “disinformation” is so dangerous.
inter_netuser 5y ago
In the world of phenomena, appearance is everything.
collyw 5y ago
This has been one of the most terrifying aspects of the pandemic, seeing how big tech and social media combine to forma narrative, then most people end up repeating. Numerous scientist and doctors have spoken out against the way the pandemic was handled, but most got silenced, or at minimum fact-checked on facebook. There has not been an open and honest debate.

by akomtu 5y ago

Just half year ago, each and every comment in this thread would be flagged/dead for "spreading disinformation". It's interesting to see how quickly the narrative changes.

ergot_vacation 5y ago

Events of the past four or five years have trained me to look for moments when the mainstream media moves in lockstep to INTENSELY deny something or "debunk"/set the record straight etc. Whenever the lady doth protest too much, it's a good sign there really is something going on, and the people who own the media really, really don't want you to know. To be fair, a number of suspicions about Covid have turned out to be false alarms as time has gone on, as was always going to be the case. "Fog of war" and all that. But it was clear from the beginning that the lab origin story had potential, precisely because it was so vehemently denied.

refurb 5y ago
Not sure why you’re so downvoted. This is exactly what happened during the Iraq War. The official truth was Saddam had WMDs and all the mass media held to that line with a few exceptions. It was all wrong.
- deleted 5y ago
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jjtheblunt 5y ago
it was also plainly plausible, really.
collyw 5y ago
How do you feel about the vaccine? I am not an anti vaxxer, I have had plenty in the past, but when we have Prince Harry, David Beckham telling you take the vaccine it seems a bit off. I don't understand why it is being forced upon the whole population, when it should be like the flu vaccine - give it to those at risk.
- tatersolid 5y ago
  We want to reduce the level of virus circulating to prevent further mutations which might be more deadly (see India/Brazil) or evade the vaccines we have now. If you want to go back to “normal” anytime soon, do your part and get vaccinated.
  - collyw 5y ago
    Read up on Marek's disease in chicken. Vaccines have literally created a more deadly form of the disease.

acdha 5y ago

You’re conflating a couple of different things: the conspiracy theories that it had been some kind of bioweapon leak or intentional were heavily rejected, as were claims purporting that this had been proven, but the idea that this was an accidental leak has been around since the beginning and were not especially controversial as a possibility. It’s a basic lab safety scenario and anyone who raised it in good faith, acknowledging the need for actual evidence, etc. didn’t seem to have trouble being heard. I certainly read plenty of people saying the possibility couldn’t be ruled out.

whipaway 5y ago

This is precisely what I thought. I can't wait to see the ahistoric revisionism reacting to stuff like this, the same people that did the instant downvote brigades acting as arbiters with complete "scientific" certainty.

refurb 5y ago

Yup and exact reason why all this talk about censoring “disinformation” is so dangerous.

inter_netuser 5y ago

In the world of phenomena, appearance is everything.

collyw 5y ago

This has been one of the most terrifying aspects of the pandemic, seeing how big tech and social media combine to forma narrative, then most people end up repeating. Numerous scientist and doctors have spoken out against the way the pandemic was handled, but most got silenced, or at minimum fact-checked on facebook. There has not been an open and honest debate.