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I don't like philosophical questions like this. Let's say male blue is female red and vice versa. Our perception of the world is different yet it doesn't change

I don't like philosophical questions like this. Let's say male blue is female red and vice versa. Our perception of the world is different yet it doesn't change anything as to how we understand and interact with "reality".

CyanBird 5y ago
It is well backed up by science that women can see or at least perceive/brainlog a stronger variety of colors than men, and then this is expressed on women having a stronger beefier vocabulary when it comes to naming and identifying colors So yeah, that's a thing Also, what you are describing is called Qualia, and that is intangible qualities of how the brain processes data, such as the "yellowness of a lemon", or the "foot pain of stepping on unexpected rock shoeless" Qualia can't be verbalized or compared between people because it is an inherent "brainfeel", you just need to expect others to have "at least similar-ish" qualias
- hervature 5y ago
  Right, and children hear much higher frequencies than the rest of us. Just because you see more doesn't fundamentally change how we perceive reality. Like if someone says there is a color between eggshell white and snow white, I believe them because there is obviously a gradient there. I don't need to see their reality to agree on the state of it.
  - bobthechef 5y ago
    What's "fundamental" in this respect? If someone is colorblind, and another isn't, does that entail a change in perception? Sure. It means the colorblind guy can't discern things that people with normal vision can. A person born blind can't see anything and never has. They don't even imagine visual images (only images informed by the remaining senses). Their perception is unimaginable to me and mine to them. So if women can discern more colors than men, it follows that they experience more colors which seems like a matter of perception. Have you never argued with a woman about the color of a sweater?
- frankenst1 5y ago
  Obligatory XKCD on the gender differences in color labelling: https://i0.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/doghouse_analysis.png https://i0.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/doghouse_analysis.png (from: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/)
  - username90 5y ago
    To me those colors are in order: Red, Brown, Blue, Gray, Blue, Green, Yellow, green, Gray, Blue. Those linear color spectrums never made sense to me as a color blind person. Technically I only see blue and green, but since people call different shades of green so many different things I start to call them stuff like red and brown. So dark green is brown, then as you go brighter it becomes red, orange, green and brightest green is yellow. White is blue + green, and since red is green pink is just white with less intensity, so gray. Edit: Anyway, most men are one chromosome color better than me. Most women are two chromosomes better at distinguishing color than me. Makes sense then that women are way better at telling them apart.
maCDzP 5y ago
Yeah - you are right. I thought about it and I guess since we can interact our perception can’t be to far off - otherwise we wouldn’t be able to procreate. It would be something out of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. A specie that because of a retinal differences between sexes is unable to mate.
vmception 5y ago
I would argue that it does and that we conform behaviors to a standard, but there are alot of assumptions we make that lead us to not understand each other at all There is a shared experience isolated to one sex that the other cannot perceive

CyanBird 5y ago

It is well backed up by science that women can see or at least perceive/brainlog a stronger variety of colors than men, and then this is expressed on women having a stronger beefier vocabulary when it comes to naming and identifying colors So yeah, that's a thing Also, what you are describing is called Qualia, and that is intangible qualities of how the brain processes data, such as the "yellowness of a lemon", or the "foot pain of stepping on unexpected rock shoeless" Qualia can't be verbalized or compared between people because it is an inherent "brainfeel", you just need to expect others to have "at least similar-ish" qualias

hervature 5y ago
Right, and children hear much higher frequencies than the rest of us. Just because you see more doesn't fundamentally change how we perceive reality. Like if someone says there is a color between eggshell white and snow white, I believe them because there is obviously a gradient there. I don't need to see their reality to agree on the state of it.
- bobthechef 5y ago
  What's "fundamental" in this respect? If someone is colorblind, and another isn't, does that entail a change in perception? Sure. It means the colorblind guy can't discern things that people with normal vision can. A person born blind can't see anything and never has. They don't even imagine visual images (only images informed by the remaining senses). Their perception is unimaginable to me and mine to them. So if women can discern more colors than men, it follows that they experience more colors which seems like a matter of perception. Have you never argued with a woman about the color of a sweater?
frankenst1 5y ago
Obligatory XKCD on the gender differences in color labelling: https://i0.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/doghouse_analysis.png https://i0.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/doghouse_analysis.png (from: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/)
- username90 5y ago
  To me those colors are in order: Red, Brown, Blue, Gray, Blue, Green, Yellow, green, Gray, Blue. Those linear color spectrums never made sense to me as a color blind person. Technically I only see blue and green, but since people call different shades of green so many different things I start to call them stuff like red and brown. So dark green is brown, then as you go brighter it becomes red, orange, green and brightest green is yellow. White is blue + green, and since red is green pink is just white with less intensity, so gray. Edit: Anyway, most men are one chromosome color better than me. Most women are two chromosomes better at distinguishing color than me. Makes sense then that women are way better at telling them apart.

maCDzP 5y ago

Yeah - you are right. I thought about it and I guess since we can interact our perception can’t be to far off - otherwise we wouldn’t be able to procreate. It would be something out of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. A specie that because of a retinal differences between sexes is unable to mate.

vmception 5y ago

I would argue that it does and that we conform behaviors to a standard, but there are alot of assumptions we make that lead us to not understand each other at all There is a shared experience isolated to one sex that the other cannot perceive