3 ms·

i am hating this fact. now each document is electronic validationed so cannot fake. no way for to leave and become new person. no way for to disappear. damn sur

i am hating this fact. now each document is electronic validationed so cannot fake. no way for to leave and become new person. no way for to disappear. damn surveilance state.

andix 5y ago
In some countries you can buy real identities with real passports, including a citizenship. Should be possible to do in Serbia or Bosnia. Maybe even in Bulgaria (EU). During the war in Yugoslavia a lot of records got lost and it is still common practice to reissue birth certificates based on some witness statements.
- da_big_ghey 5y ago
  true, and for these i am many glad. by end of my life time, though, it is maybe not longer be possibile. biometric identity making it so by some time.
  - raunak 5y ago
    At the end of the day, you can shuck all your responsibilities, buy land in some remote area of the world (Midwestern USA, Canadian Yukon?, South America), and live as a hunter-gatherer - there’s nothing stopping you and after a certain point you’d be effectively isolated and identity-less
    - macintux 5y ago
      You'd have to find someplace without property tax at the least, I'd think.
      - snypher 5y ago
        Some LLC pays my property taxes, not sure who ;)
krisoft 5y ago
In what sense do you want to disappear? Do you want the option to abandon everyone you know and start a new life in a new place? You can totally do that. The state is not stopping you. If people from your former life report you missing and the police finds you, you can always say “i do not wish to be contacted by them” and if you are an adult they will leave you at that. Pretty extreme thing to do, but happens all the time. Do you want to get away with murder? Run away from debts and obligations? Why would we as society let you do that?
- Mediterraneo10 5y ago
  Not all countries provide adequate protection for those who wish to go no-contact with family. Sometimes you can hide from former friends and acquaintances, but family members are allowed to continue trying to obtrusively contact you or confront you in public, or can involve the police again and again. In countries where family relationships are considered especially sacrosanct, the police may began to hassle you as the supposed bad guy if you are avoiding contact with parents.
- folli 5y ago
  That's actually a good point. However, it becomes much murkier from a moral standpoint if you consider a scenario where you try to hide from a corrupt state for e.g. digging up dirt on a high ranking official. Or due to political, racial, religious oppression etc.

i am hating this fact. now each document is electronic validationed so cannot fake. no way for to leave and become new person. no way for to disappear. damn surveilance state.

andix 5y ago

In some countries you can buy real identities with real passports, including a citizenship. Should be possible to do in Serbia or Bosnia. Maybe even in Bulgaria (EU). During the war in Yugoslavia a lot of records got lost and it is still common practice to reissue birth certificates based on some witness statements.

da_big_ghey 5y ago
true, and for these i am many glad. by end of my life time, though, it is maybe not longer be possibile. biometric identity making it so by some time.
- raunak 5y ago
  At the end of the day, you can shuck all your responsibilities, buy land in some remote area of the world (Midwestern USA, Canadian Yukon?, South America), and live as a hunter-gatherer - there’s nothing stopping you and after a certain point you’d be effectively isolated and identity-less
  - macintux 5y ago
    You'd have to find someplace without property tax at the least, I'd think.
    - snypher 5y ago
      Some LLC pays my property taxes, not sure who ;)

krisoft 5y ago

In what sense do you want to disappear? Do you want the option to abandon everyone you know and start a new life in a new place? You can totally do that. The state is not stopping you. If people from your former life report you missing and the police finds you, you can always say “i do not wish to be contacted by them” and if you are an adult they will leave you at that. Pretty extreme thing to do, but happens all the time. Do you want to get away with murder? Run away from debts and obligations? Why would we as society let you do that?

Mediterraneo10 5y ago
Not all countries provide adequate protection for those who wish to go no-contact with family. Sometimes you can hide from former friends and acquaintances, but family members are allowed to continue trying to obtrusively contact you or confront you in public, or can involve the police again and again. In countries where family relationships are considered especially sacrosanct, the police may began to hassle you as the supposed bad guy if you are avoiding contact with parents.
folli 5y ago
That's actually a good point. However, it becomes much murkier from a moral standpoint if you consider a scenario where you try to hide from a corrupt state for e.g. digging up dirt on a high ranking official. Or due to political, racial, religious oppression etc.