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The predictions from the 2000 decade using the major models was so far off the mark, as a layperson (who is not working for the oil and gas industries, by the w

The predictions from the 2000 decade using the major models was so far off the mark, as a layperson (who is not working for the oil and gas industries, by the way), why should I take these new predictions at face value? Bluntly, I think it is high time we take a deeper look at the funding behind this body of research and identify any financial conflicts of interest, both in terms of grant money given to academics, and entities and individuals who would benefit from a global carbon tax. Does anyone else follow suspicious0bservers.org? It’s a great resource for alternative views around climate change.

boxed 5y ago
The past predictions were widely wrong because they predicted TOO LITTLE warming. You're clearly off your rocker.
- willmadden 5y ago
  Using the "adjusted" data? Give me a break. If you look at unadjusted station data you'll see the temperature isn't rising at all. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/01/a-comparison-of-adjusted-vs-unadjusted-surface-data/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/01/a-comparison-of-adjus...
  - boxed 5y ago
    Cheerry picking some data source and ignoring the rest 99% isn't helping you. There's ground data, sea data, there's sattelite data, ice core data, tree ring data, and more. Cherry picking one specific 5 year series 2000 to 2005 is silly. It was silly 2012 when that blog post was written and it's just hilariously wrong today 7 years later.
magicalhippo 5y ago
Here's[1] the IPCC report from 2001. Which predictions do you consider "far off the mark"? I only checked a few like - CO2 level, predicted 490-1250 by 2100, 420 in 2020[2]. - Glacier ice loss, projected widespread retreat, recent measurements seems to agree[3] - Temperature rise, predicted increase of 0.4C-1.1C for 1990-2025, measurements for 2001-2010[4] was +0.56C and 2011-2020[5] shows +0.82C. - Sea level rise, predicted rise in period 1990-2025 of 0.03-0.14m, status as of 2020 is 0.09m above 1990 levels[6]. These seems to hold up pretty good as far as I can see, maybe even conservative, unless I'm missing something? [1]: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar3/syr/ https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar3/syr/ [2]: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/... [3]: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2019GL086926 https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2019... [4]: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201013 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201013 [5]: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202013 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202013 [6]: https://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/DataAction-2020-11-19-Globally-averaged-sea-level https://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/DataAction-2020-11-19-Globally-a...

boxed 5y ago

The past predictions were widely wrong because they predicted TOO LITTLE warming. You're clearly off your rocker.

willmadden 5y ago
Using the "adjusted" data? Give me a break. If you look at unadjusted station data you'll see the temperature isn't rising at all. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/01/a-comparison-of-adjusted-vs-unadjusted-surface-data/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/01/a-comparison-of-adjus...
- boxed 5y ago
  Cheerry picking some data source and ignoring the rest 99% isn't helping you. There's ground data, sea data, there's sattelite data, ice core data, tree ring data, and more. Cherry picking one specific 5 year series 2000 to 2005 is silly. It was silly 2012 when that blog post was written and it's just hilariously wrong today 7 years later.

magicalhippo 5y ago

Here's[1] the IPCC report from 2001. Which predictions do you consider "far off the mark"? I only checked a few like - CO2 level, predicted 490-1250 by 2100, 420 in 2020[2]. - Glacier ice loss, projected widespread retreat, recent measurements seems to agree[3] - Temperature rise, predicted increase of 0.4C-1.1C for 1990-2025, measurements for 2001-2010[4] was +0.56C and 2011-2020[5] shows +0.82C. - Sea level rise, predicted rise in period 1990-2025 of 0.03-0.14m, status as of 2020 is 0.09m above 1990 levels[6]. These seems to hold up pretty good as far as I can see, maybe even conservative, unless I'm missing something? [1]: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar3/syr/ https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar3/syr/ [2]: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/... [3]: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2019GL086926 https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2019... [4]: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201013 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201013 [5]: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202013 https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202013 [6]: https://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/DataAction-2020-11-19-Globally-averaged-sea-level https://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/DataAction-2020-11-19-Globally-a...