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> I suspect cases like this are a tiny minority. Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Maybe in the US, given its size, but it's pretty widespr

by messe 5y ago

> I suspect cases like this are a tiny minority. Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Maybe in the US, given its size, but it's pretty widespread and normal in Europe.

stingraycharles 5y ago
I think you’d be surprised that HN is not representative for the general population, and that talking with people from another continent over WhatsApp is, in fact, an exception and not the rule.
peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Absolutely yes. Especially across two continents. Europeans who have friends from Europe would all be in Europe anyway. Europe is larger than US btw, it has two times the population. Russia+Turkey+Germany alone account for 95% of the population of the United States.
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- jltsiren 5y ago
  I would assume that most Europeans know people living on another continent, or at least people who have lived there in the recent past. There are plenty of careers and hobbies where you make international connections, plenty of jobs that require you to live somewhere else for a while, and plenty of people looking for opportunities elsewhere. Globally, around 1 person in 30 lives outside their country of origin, so knowing people in other countries should be common.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > I would assume that most Europeans know people living on another continent Not most, just some. 1 out of 30 is a bit more than 3% and many of those have family connections, they are not strangers living abroad, they are - for example - Italians living in Canada. EU citizens whose data should be kept in EU.
    - davidgay 5y ago
      And then said person acquires triple citizenship via naturalisation and marriage, and moves to a fourth country. Does your principle still apply? What happens if those other three countries have similar rules?
      - trasz 5y ago
        If other countries had similar rules for protecting personal information, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
- usrnm 5y ago
  > Russia+Turkey+Germany I believe, in the context of this proposed ban "Europe" means "the EU", not geographical Europe. So both Russia and Turkey don't count.
  - vikarti 5y ago
    Are you sure? What if they decided to copy this EU solution (adding they own 'interesting' ideas)? Russia arleady have data localization law, Facebook just ignores it and it's not enforced. What if it will become enforced? Facebook couldn't say this is something unusual because it will exactly thing EU required of them.
- anticensor 5y ago
  Russia and Turkey have something like GDPR minus a few clauses plus national scope instead of EU scope. Data portability agreements between those would be pretty straightforward.
DeusExMachina 5y ago
I don't think it is. I belong to a group that has several connections in countries all around Europe due to frequent traveling to dance events. Most of these people post on Facebook in their own language and attend local events. Outside of this bubble, things are very different. The majority of people never move from where they are born, speak poor English and never travel. While the people with international connections are surely a relevant amount, and even adding expats that keep contact with friends and family, it's the group with not international connections that I would define as "widespread" and "normal".
dylan604 5y ago
We're not talking about storing/transferring data between different countries within the EU though. The cross-the-pond-friendship example was only provided as an example of the topic at hand and not the fact that 'mericans don't have European friends.
skinnymuch 5y ago
I was initially thinking like you too. But it likely isn’t true. With Facebook’s lowering importance and my self getting older, my interaction with non Americans has lowered. If we are talking about the EU only, the amount is minimal. Thinking about others around me, most don’t have anything significant with EU residents or have one specific set of friendship[s] in the EU.
trasz 5y ago
No, interactions - like, discussions - with people from other countries is, for most people, a minority of their overall interactions.

by messe 5y ago

> I suspect cases like this are a tiny minority. Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Maybe in the US, given its size, but it's pretty widespread and normal in Europe.

stingraycharles 5y ago

I think you’d be surprised that HN is not representative for the general population, and that talking with people from another continent over WhatsApp is, in fact, an exception and not the rule.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

> Knowing people in other countries is a tiny minority? Absolutely yes. Especially across two continents. Europeans who have friends from Europe would all be in Europe anyway. Europe is larger than US btw, it has two times the population. Russia+Turkey+Germany alone account for 95% of the population of the United States.

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jltsiren 5y ago
I would assume that most Europeans know people living on another continent, or at least people who have lived there in the recent past. There are plenty of careers and hobbies where you make international connections, plenty of jobs that require you to live somewhere else for a while, and plenty of people looking for opportunities elsewhere. Globally, around 1 person in 30 lives outside their country of origin, so knowing people in other countries should be common.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  > I would assume that most Europeans know people living on another continent Not most, just some. 1 out of 30 is a bit more than 3% and many of those have family connections, they are not strangers living abroad, they are - for example - Italians living in Canada. EU citizens whose data should be kept in EU.
  - davidgay 5y ago
    And then said person acquires triple citizenship via naturalisation and marriage, and moves to a fourth country. Does your principle still apply? What happens if those other three countries have similar rules?
    - trasz 5y ago
      If other countries had similar rules for protecting personal information, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
usrnm 5y ago
> Russia+Turkey+Germany I believe, in the context of this proposed ban "Europe" means "the EU", not geographical Europe. So both Russia and Turkey don't count.
- vikarti 5y ago
  Are you sure? What if they decided to copy this EU solution (adding they own 'interesting' ideas)? Russia arleady have data localization law, Facebook just ignores it and it's not enforced. What if it will become enforced? Facebook couldn't say this is something unusual because it will exactly thing EU required of them.
anticensor 5y ago
Russia and Turkey have something like GDPR minus a few clauses plus national scope instead of EU scope. Data portability agreements between those would be pretty straightforward.

DeusExMachina 5y ago

I don't think it is. I belong to a group that has several connections in countries all around Europe due to frequent traveling to dance events. Most of these people post on Facebook in their own language and attend local events. Outside of this bubble, things are very different. The majority of people never move from where they are born, speak poor English and never travel. While the people with international connections are surely a relevant amount, and even adding expats that keep contact with friends and family, it's the group with not international connections that I would define as "widespread" and "normal".

dylan604 5y ago

We're not talking about storing/transferring data between different countries within the EU though. The cross-the-pond-friendship example was only provided as an example of the topic at hand and not the fact that 'mericans don't have European friends.

skinnymuch 5y ago

I was initially thinking like you too. But it likely isn’t true. With Facebook’s lowering importance and my self getting older, my interaction with non Americans has lowered. If we are talking about the EU only, the amount is minimal. Thinking about others around me, most don’t have anything significant with EU residents or have one specific set of friendship[s] in the EU.

trasz 5y ago

No, interactions - like, discussions - with people from other countries is, for most people, a minority of their overall interactions.