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meanwhile they spend billions with VR nobody wants, controllers nobody wants, linux OS nobody uses, smart tv integration nobody cares about, etc cs:go at this

meanwhile they spend billions with VR nobody wants, controllers nobody wants, linux OS nobody uses, smart tv integration nobody cares about, etc cs:go at this point is a cheater's game. because valve's server ain't reliable at all, some people choose to play on third party servers, and not surprisingly a lot of players had the third party client mining bitcoin on their computer [0]. much blame the service, but it's obvious to me it's Valve's responsability. 0: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/2/4292672/esea-gaming-network-bitcoin-botnet https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/2/4292672/esea-gaming-networ...

jpeter 5y ago
Valve doesn't even fix VAC bypasses you can find on github
bruce343434 5y ago
I don't know about you but I use linux. I was pleasantly surprised to find CSGO running smoothly on it.
jonnelafin 5y ago
This is a bit selfish view. I loved their controller, I love steam link allowing me to seamlessly play from any room (with whatever controller I want). I use Linux and think that vr is something everyone should try at some point. I know that you maybe couldn't care less about these things, but don't exacerbate the argument by saying "nobody". Besides, cs started with 3rd party servers and have always been there. Many people have never transitioned to the official matchmaking and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I just think that your comment is a bit too salty on HN's standards.
- gverrilla 5y ago
  Good for you mate that you enjoyed all that. I'm just pointing out they do a poor job on cs security and anti-cheat and communication in contrast to other efforts on the company like these, and it's cs who made steam possible, not that other stuff. 3rd party servers are different from 3rd party services.
  - jonnelafin 5y ago
    That's sadly true indeed.
  - f1refly 5y ago
    I think it's great they take a server side approach to anticheating. More intrusive methods of other vendors reliably need andministrative access to the useres system and theres no way I allow anything game-related to run with root privileges. CS:GO is one of the best games in the market in this regard. The cs playerbase regularly complains about the opponents cheating when its much more likely that the other player is just much better.
adreamingsoul 5y ago
I use linux and appreciate that Steam has support for it. Fact: their Linux OS is the primary reason why I use Steam.
dxuh 5y ago
The Valve Index and Half-Life: Alyx were huge accomplishments that did more for VR as a medium than anything before (and probably after) it. Also Valve's efforts towards making Linux a gaming platform were immensely successful. Proton is amazing and most people that use it agree. Valve is not investing their resources in stuff you care about, but they are not objectively wasting their time. They are not just building another online game (which everyone is doing), but innovating in and developing areas that no one else can get away with wasting money on. I am thankful for all the things you list, some of which have not turned out great, but that is imho just a sign that they are truly doing bold/economically dangerous things, for the good of the medium.
- gverrilla 5y ago
  it's a matter of cost of opportunity, and risk management. maybe those efforts were great for "VR as a medium" or for Linux enthusiasts, but not for cs community, which was basal for Steam success

jpeter 5y ago

Valve doesn't even fix VAC bypasses you can find on github

bruce343434 5y ago

I don't know about you but I use linux. I was pleasantly surprised to find CSGO running smoothly on it.

jonnelafin 5y ago

This is a bit selfish view. I loved their controller, I love steam link allowing me to seamlessly play from any room (with whatever controller I want). I use Linux and think that vr is something everyone should try at some point. I know that you maybe couldn't care less about these things, but don't exacerbate the argument by saying "nobody". Besides, cs started with 3rd party servers and have always been there. Many people have never transitioned to the official matchmaking and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I just think that your comment is a bit too salty on HN's standards.

gverrilla 5y ago
Good for you mate that you enjoyed all that. I'm just pointing out they do a poor job on cs security and anti-cheat and communication in contrast to other efforts on the company like these, and it's cs who made steam possible, not that other stuff. 3rd party servers are different from 3rd party services.
- jonnelafin 5y ago
  That's sadly true indeed.
- f1refly 5y ago
  I think it's great they take a server side approach to anticheating. More intrusive methods of other vendors reliably need andministrative access to the useres system and theres no way I allow anything game-related to run with root privileges. CS:GO is one of the best games in the market in this regard. The cs playerbase regularly complains about the opponents cheating when its much more likely that the other player is just much better.

adreamingsoul 5y ago

I use linux and appreciate that Steam has support for it. Fact: their Linux OS is the primary reason why I use Steam.

dxuh 5y ago

The Valve Index and Half-Life: Alyx were huge accomplishments that did more for VR as a medium than anything before (and probably after) it. Also Valve's efforts towards making Linux a gaming platform were immensely successful. Proton is amazing and most people that use it agree. Valve is not investing their resources in stuff you care about, but they are not objectively wasting their time. They are not just building another online game (which everyone is doing), but innovating in and developing areas that no one else can get away with wasting money on. I am thankful for all the things you list, some of which have not turned out great, but that is imho just a sign that they are truly doing bold/economically dangerous things, for the good of the medium.

gverrilla 5y ago
it's a matter of cost of opportunity, and risk management. maybe those efforts were great for "VR as a medium" or for Linux enthusiasts, but not for cs community, which was basal for Steam success