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Your thinking has many curious gaps! e.g., I fail to see how "shortwave radios" would be particularly useful for the 20 minutes of "nuclear retaliation", Bitc

Your thinking has many curious gaps! e.g., I fail to see how "shortwave radios" would be particularly useful for the 20 minutes of "nuclear retaliation", Bitcoin transactions require networked computers which, again, won't be around w/o power/batteries, a working network, etc. Implementing the Haber-Bosch process requires very sophisticated engineering, machining and careful operation. Lots of trial and error is involved. simply making "cordite" is only one step in producing an artillery shell. There's the gun, it's transport, the shell casing, the primer, the aiming mechanism, etc. You must train the gunner, etc. That "organization that defeated Japan" you speak of would most likely not be present (would be destroyed), No need to kill everyone in China. Just the "A Ship" and they're all in Beijing. Pollution is bad there already and would be even worse after a nuclear war!8-)) One person can "snuff out" a group. Why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a child who is fairly well-educated but has a patchy understanding of the real world, someone better at history than at science? Maybe someone who games a bit? I think I'll stop this dialogue here.

kragen 5y ago
> I fail to see how "shortwave radios" would be particularly useful for the 20 minutes of "nuclear retaliation", Correct, the fact that nuclear retaliation takes a few minutes, not months or years, means that your hypothetical disintegration scenario is irrelevant to my original point: in the event of a full-blown war between the USA and PRC, there will be no semiconductor fabs in the USA, foreign-owned or otherwise. Nevertheless, I thought it was interesting to explore your postulated post-apocalyptic recapitulation of the Spring and Autumn Period, and shortwave radios are among the things that render it impossible. I understand that it can be confusing to talk about two different hypothetical situations that happen at different times in the same hypothetical timeline. That's why I separated them into two paragraphs, with a one-sentence paragraph separating them, in order to keep you from confusing them: "The diesel UPS will last that long. What would the aftermath look like months or years later, though? Big coal power plants might be targeted, but most solar panels will continue to work; those can run shortwave radios for decades." Perhaps repeating the point, as I have above, will have helped you to understand it better. I know it's confusing! But I have faith in you, Bunky! > Bitcoin transactions require networked computers which, again, won't be around w/o power/batteries, a working network, etc. This is not correct. Signing a Bitcoin transaction requires a computer, which does not have to be networked or powered on continuously. A small solar panel to charge your USB power bank is plenty of power. Once you have signed the transaction you do need to get it to the Bitcoin network somehow. Because it's a few hundred bytes and contains no secret data, you can base64 encode it and send it by skywave CW Morse code at 10 millibaud if you have to. Not that that would be necessary in practice. > they're all in Beijing. Pollution is bad there already It seems that your knowledge of current events in China is nearly as profound as your knowledge of cryptocurrencies, political science, and metallurgy. > Why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a child who is fairly well-educated but has a patchy understanding of the real world, someone better at history than at science? Maybe someone who games a bit? Probably because, being the person who said, "The CCP might survive somewhere but more likely would be snuffed out by the people, who would not appreciate the war the CCP had brought upon them," and "'smelt iron' with coal, maybe! Now you've got wrought iron, which is good for what, horseshoes?", you have no basis on which to judge my understanding except ego defense. And, I suppose, you're insecure enough about your maturity to imagine that likening someone a child is some kind of rhetorical power move that might compensate for your total lack of relevant knowledge and epistemic humility. I did play D&D once, though, 30 years ago. And I played Settlers about once a month in the 02001-02006 period. So you're not entirely wrong.
- giardini 5y ago
  I concede to you, O Master, that my thoughts are to Yours, as mere raindrops are to the Oceans of the World. Furthermore, as a token of our discussion, I offer this simple link so that you might someday smoke the Peace Pipe and Bury the Hatchet: http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/smoke-enema-kit.jpg http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/smo... - - - Related article: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expression-blow-smoke-ass/#comments http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expre...
  - kragen 5y ago
    If I'd realized you were just trolling from the beginning, I probably wouldn't have bothered responding to you. I thought you were just uninformed, but I see that wasn't the problem.
    - giardini 5y ago
      Well, I wasn't trolling at all: I tossed out a joke after you ran off the rails. kragen says>" I thought you were just uninformed, but I see that wasn't the problem."* Nope.
jabberwookie 5y ago
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain
- kragen 5y ago
  Well, the fool might be the guy who's been posting articles claiming covid is a hoax, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin cure covid, China secretly has an out-of-control covid epidemic, and wearing face masks is deadly: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=giardini https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=giardini Or it might be the guy who wrote http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/dev3/paperalgo http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/dev3/paperalgo, http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/urscheme/ http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/urscheme/, http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/ http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/, https://github.com/kragen/dumpulse https://github.com/kragen/dumpulse, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2933619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2933619, https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/yeso https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/yeso, https://github.com/kragen/stoneknifeforth https://github.com/kragen/stoneknifeforth, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=695981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=695981 in the past, and within the last three months wrote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27171597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27171597, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26930408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26930408, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26884231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26884231, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26674832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26674832, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672806, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26671656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26671656, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26654767 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26654767, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596892, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587768, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581742, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26561319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26561319, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547871, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26543937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26543937, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580684, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528534, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525837, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525109, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/qvaders http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/qvaders, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26452393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26452393, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/skitch http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/skitch, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26449902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26449902, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/meta5ixrun.py http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/meta5ixrun.py, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26438596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26438596, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/mukanren.ml http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/mukanren.ml, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418271, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/kmregion.h http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/kmregion.h, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26299172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26299172, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/readprint.fs http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/readprint.fs, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26289195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26289195, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219950, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219000, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26198567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26198567, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26231940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26231940, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26189525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26189525, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26195060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26195060. I'm not going to link to particular comments in https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=giardini https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=giardini (it would be too easy to think I was cherry-picking the worst ones) but you can read through it yourself and see that the guy has a long history of almost nothing but incessant worthless trolling. If you can't tell the difference...

kragen 5y ago

> I fail to see how "shortwave radios" would be particularly useful for the 20 minutes of "nuclear retaliation", Correct, the fact that nuclear retaliation takes a few minutes, not months or years, means that your hypothetical disintegration scenario is irrelevant to my original point: in the event of a full-blown war between the USA and PRC, there will be no semiconductor fabs in the USA, foreign-owned or otherwise. Nevertheless, I thought it was interesting to explore your postulated post-apocalyptic recapitulation of the Spring and Autumn Period, and shortwave radios are among the things that render it impossible. I understand that it can be confusing to talk about two different hypothetical situations that happen at different times in the same hypothetical timeline. That's why I separated them into two paragraphs, with a one-sentence paragraph separating them, in order to keep you from confusing them: "The diesel UPS will last that long. What would the aftermath look like months or years later, though? Big coal power plants might be targeted, but most solar panels will continue to work; those can run shortwave radios for decades." Perhaps repeating the point, as I have above, will have helped you to understand it better. I know it's confusing! But I have faith in you, Bunky! > Bitcoin transactions require networked computers which, again, won't be around w/o power/batteries, a working network, etc. This is not correct. Signing a Bitcoin transaction requires a computer, which does not have to be networked or powered on continuously. A small solar panel to charge your USB power bank is plenty of power. Once you have signed the transaction you do need to get it to the Bitcoin network somehow. Because it's a few hundred bytes and contains no secret data, you can base64 encode it and send it by skywave CW Morse code at 10 millibaud if you have to. Not that that would be necessary in practice. > they're all in Beijing. Pollution is bad there already It seems that your knowledge of current events in China is nearly as profound as your knowledge of cryptocurrencies, political science, and metallurgy. > Why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a child who is fairly well-educated but has a patchy understanding of the real world, someone better at history than at science? Maybe someone who games a bit? Probably because, being the person who said, "The CCP might survive somewhere but more likely would be snuffed out by the people, who would not appreciate the war the CCP had brought upon them," and "'smelt iron' with coal, maybe! Now you've got wrought iron, which is good for what, horseshoes?", you have no basis on which to judge my understanding except ego defense. And, I suppose, you're insecure enough about your maturity to imagine that likening someone a child is some kind of rhetorical power move that might compensate for your total lack of relevant knowledge and epistemic humility. I did play D&D once, though, 30 years ago. And I played Settlers about once a month in the 02001-02006 period. So you're not entirely wrong.

giardini 5y ago
I concede to you, O Master, that my thoughts are to Yours, as mere raindrops are to the Oceans of the World. Furthermore, as a token of our discussion, I offer this simple link so that you might someday smoke the Peace Pipe and Bury the Hatchet: http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/smoke-enema-kit.jpg http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/smo... - - - Related article: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expression-blow-smoke-ass/#comments http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/origin-expre...
- kragen 5y ago
  If I'd realized you were just trolling from the beginning, I probably wouldn't have bothered responding to you. I thought you were just uninformed, but I see that wasn't the problem.
  - giardini 5y ago
    Well, I wasn't trolling at all: I tossed out a joke after you ran off the rails. kragen says>" I thought you were just uninformed, but I see that wasn't the problem."* Nope.

jabberwookie 5y ago

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain

kragen 5y ago
Well, the fool might be the guy who's been posting articles claiming covid is a hoax, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin cure covid, China secretly has an out-of-control covid epidemic, and wearing face masks is deadly: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=giardini https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=giardini Or it might be the guy who wrote http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/dev3/paperalgo http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/dev3/paperalgo, http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/urscheme/ http://canonical.org/%7Ekragen/sw/urscheme/, http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/ http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/, https://github.com/kragen/dumpulse https://github.com/kragen/dumpulse, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2933619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2933619, https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/yeso https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/yeso, https://github.com/kragen/stoneknifeforth https://github.com/kragen/stoneknifeforth, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=695981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=695981 in the past, and within the last three months wrote https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27171597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27171597, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26930408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26930408, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26884231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26884231, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26674832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26674832, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672806, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26671656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26671656, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26654767 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26654767, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596892, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587768, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581742, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26561319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26561319, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547871, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26543937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26543937, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580684, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26528534, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525837, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525109, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/qvaders http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/qvaders, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26452393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26452393, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/skitch http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/skitch, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26449902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26449902, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/meta5ixrun.py http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/meta5ixrun.py, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26438596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26438596, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/mukanren.ml http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/mukanren.ml, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418271, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/kmregion.h http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/kmregion.h, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26299172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26299172, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/readprint.fs http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/readprint.fs, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26289195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26289195, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219950, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26219000, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26198567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26198567, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26231940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26231940, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26189525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26189525, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26195060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26195060. I'm not going to link to particular comments in https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=giardini https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=giardini (it would be too easy to think I was cherry-picking the worst ones) but you can read through it yourself and see that the guy has a long history of almost nothing but incessant worthless trolling. If you can't tell the difference...