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The problem is that some of those impressions you got about China are manufactured as part of the politics. Things can't be so torn, can they? Now it's your job

by tfcata 5y ago

The problem is that some of those impressions you got about China are manufactured as part of the politics. Things can't be so torn, can they? Now it's your job to figure out which ones are manufactured and which ones are not.

xupybd 5y ago
I truly believe that the majority of Chinese civilians are well treated under their current government. I also think the treatment of the Uyghurs is scary. That the control of media flowing into China is so controlled that the people are not free. The lack of democracy means there are not enough checks and balances to keep the people free. The way the one child policy has been enforced is not humane. The oppression of religion means people are not free. I am not staying any country is perfect only that I would not like to live under that control. I also fear in my part of the world we could end up under their control in my lifetime.
- magicsmoke 5y ago
  If you're in the Americas, Europe, or Australia that will never happen in your lifetime. Think about how plausible the US annexing China and controlling it would be. Now flip that around and double the difficulty. If you're in southeast asia the calculus changes. But the cost benefit analysis really leans against annexing hostile locals these days unless it's some nationalist mythology like China and Taiwan. And if you're in southeast asia I'd say future heat waves and climate disasters means you'll be more likely heading north into China than them heading south. If it's a soft ideological takeover you're envisioning then that's really the responsibility of the democratic society you live in. Democracy falls when people no longer believe in its ideas or that it is an effective way of governance.
  - eunos 5y ago
    > heading north Meanwhile latest census shows that the Northeastern China peoples are shifting to the South.
    - magicsmoke 5y ago
      Revisit that in 50 years.
  - xupybd 5y ago
    I'm in New Zealand and have family in Vietnam. It's a soft ideological take over I'm worried about with both. Vietnam being far more likely than New Zealand but we get a lot of economic benefit from China and they are buying up agriculture in New Zealand.
    - magicsmoke 5y ago
      Vietnam I wouldn't be worried about. China's burned it's hand in those jungles before, I doubt they're keen to do it again. As for those island disputes all I can say is good luck and at least they're not heavily populated. Unfortunately Asia still has a lot of uncleaned messes left over from the 1940s what with the constant tug of war between China and the US ever since China went communist. Vietnam isn't exactly democratic though, but I guess that's why you're in New Zealand. As for new Zealand, remember that you always have massive leverage over China in the form of nationalizing their purchases. Don't let wealth from China be a crutch. Enjoy it but know how to live life without it if the price of wealth is too great.

by tfcata 5y ago

xupybd 5y ago

I truly believe that the majority of Chinese civilians are well treated under their current government. I also think the treatment of the Uyghurs is scary. That the control of media flowing into China is so controlled that the people are not free. The lack of democracy means there are not enough checks and balances to keep the people free. The way the one child policy has been enforced is not humane. The oppression of religion means people are not free. I am not staying any country is perfect only that I would not like to live under that control. I also fear in my part of the world we could end up under their control in my lifetime.

magicsmoke 5y ago
If you're in the Americas, Europe, or Australia that will never happen in your lifetime. Think about how plausible the US annexing China and controlling it would be. Now flip that around and double the difficulty. If you're in southeast asia the calculus changes. But the cost benefit analysis really leans against annexing hostile locals these days unless it's some nationalist mythology like China and Taiwan. And if you're in southeast asia I'd say future heat waves and climate disasters means you'll be more likely heading north into China than them heading south. If it's a soft ideological takeover you're envisioning then that's really the responsibility of the democratic society you live in. Democracy falls when people no longer believe in its ideas or that it is an effective way of governance.
- eunos 5y ago
  > heading north Meanwhile latest census shows that the Northeastern China peoples are shifting to the South.
  - magicsmoke 5y ago
    Revisit that in 50 years.
- xupybd 5y ago
  I'm in New Zealand and have family in Vietnam. It's a soft ideological take over I'm worried about with both. Vietnam being far more likely than New Zealand but we get a lot of economic benefit from China and they are buying up agriculture in New Zealand.
  - magicsmoke 5y ago
    Vietnam I wouldn't be worried about. China's burned it's hand in those jungles before, I doubt they're keen to do it again. As for those island disputes all I can say is good luck and at least they're not heavily populated. Unfortunately Asia still has a lot of uncleaned messes left over from the 1940s what with the constant tug of war between China and the US ever since China went communist. Vietnam isn't exactly democratic though, but I guess that's why you're in New Zealand. As for new Zealand, remember that you always have massive leverage over China in the form of nationalizing their purchases. Don't let wealth from China be a crutch. Enjoy it but know how to live life without it if the price of wealth is too great.