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PipeWire: The new audio and video daemon in Fedora Linux 34

39 points by mfilion 5y ago

hulitu 5y ago
This is what is wrong with desktop linux. Why do they have to reinvent the wheel all the time ? OSS, Esound, ALSA, pulse audio and now PipeWire. The same thing happened in Gnome and KDE. Every release changes everithing radically but they expect users to just close their eyes and go on.
- dTal 5y ago
  "PipeWire provides compatibility with ALSA, PulseAudio and JACK applications with an ALSA plugin, a replacement PulseAudio server and a JACK replacement client library respectively. Theoretically this should provide a way to run all existing applications without modifications." Why are you complaining? This is awesome.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    B-L-O-A-T!
- marcodiego 5y ago
  It is called evolution. While it advances and gets better, changes take longer. Consider X11, it was born in 1981 and was good enough to last for decades.
- Delk 5y ago
  I kind of got the same feeling about transitioning to PipeWire just a few years after PulseAudio got things working, but other than that, IMO it's not like things are being radically changed that often, let alone every release. The last time OSS was relevant on Linux was like 20 years ago. 20 years ago the latest Windows release was Windows 2000. Windows XP hadn't been released yet. OS X for the desktop had just been released. They don't look or act nearly the same now either. Is "what's wrong with {windows,mac} desktop" that they're not the same they were 20 years ago? It feels like yesterday, but 20 years really is quite a long time. If thinking back to the early 2000's isn't enough, just think of what happened with desktop computing in the 20 years that preceded that. I don't know much about ALSA but I've got the impression that it's significantly lower level than PA or PW. Maybe we could get by with just ALSA, but I'm honestly not sure it could be brought up to reasonable feature parity without either making it much more complex (and perhaps not suited for the kernel), or without accruing significant tech debt due to building new features on a foundation that isn't suited for them. Also, I haven't used KDE in a long time but Gnome 40 was the first time there was a major-ish overhaul to the desktop since the early Gnome 3 days. That was also around 10 years go. Everything in between was mostly iterative changes. Within those 10 years, Windows went through 8, 8.1 and 10.

39 points by mfilion 5y ago

This is what is wrong with desktop linux. Why do they have to reinvent the wheel all the time ? OSS, Esound, ALSA, pulse audio and now PipeWire. The same thing happened in Gnome and KDE. Every release changes everithing radically but they expect users to just close their eyes and go on.

dTal 5y ago
"PipeWire provides compatibility with ALSA, PulseAudio and JACK applications with an ALSA plugin, a replacement PulseAudio server and a JACK replacement client library respectively. Theoretically this should provide a way to run all existing applications without modifications." Why are you complaining? This is awesome.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  B-L-O-A-T!
marcodiego 5y ago
It is called evolution. While it advances and gets better, changes take longer. Consider X11, it was born in 1981 and was good enough to last for decades.
Delk 5y ago
I kind of got the same feeling about transitioning to PipeWire just a few years after PulseAudio got things working, but other than that, IMO it's not like things are being radically changed that often, let alone every release. The last time OSS was relevant on Linux was like 20 years ago. 20 years ago the latest Windows release was Windows 2000. Windows XP hadn't been released yet. OS X for the desktop had just been released. They don't look or act nearly the same now either. Is "what's wrong with {windows,mac} desktop" that they're not the same they were 20 years ago? It feels like yesterday, but 20 years really is quite a long time. If thinking back to the early 2000's isn't enough, just think of what happened with desktop computing in the 20 years that preceded that. I don't know much about ALSA but I've got the impression that it's significantly lower level than PA or PW. Maybe we could get by with just ALSA, but I'm honestly not sure it could be brought up to reasonable feature parity without either making it much more complex (and perhaps not suited for the kernel), or without accruing significant tech debt due to building new features on a foundation that isn't suited for them. Also, I haven't used KDE in a long time but Gnome 40 was the first time there was a major-ish overhaul to the desktop since the early Gnome 3 days. That was also around 10 years go. Everything in between was mostly iterative changes. Within those 10 years, Windows went through 8, 8.1 and 10.