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In my experience that is not the case. Increasingly the CS grads know a lot of CS and related trivia while the bootcamp grads are fearlessly able to jump into t

In my experience that is not the case. Increasingly the CS grads know a lot of CS and related trivia while the bootcamp grads are fearlessly able to jump into things and figure it out. Most of what BigTechCos use is non-standard anyway. BigQuery, Scala, GCP, etc. people who bias towards a FFIO mindset will be better and often Bootcampers (especially the ones solid enough to get hired) have that in spades and are hungry. I have never seen a CS student "run circles" around a bootcamp grad after equivalent experience. It is telling that "The Missing Semester of CS ed" would be laughably basic to most boot campers and last I checked would be done as part of the pre-work to get into the bootcamp to begin with. Side note: The bootcamps around today are much much better than 5 years ago. They are iterating rapidly.

pcmoney 5y ago
To clarify I think the biggest driver is how driven and self-taught the individual developer is. I don't think going through the paces of a bootcamp or CS degree is a great indicator in and of itself and all else equal IMO the bootcamp wins there. The best people I have worked with have been HS dropouts (fully self taught), MIT and a CMU grad who were very self taught before their program, and bootcamp grads who pivoted from other fields (oddly music, fine arts, and a standup comic. Maybe because in those fields being "good" is completely insufficient and they bring a "must be the best" mindset?)
908B64B197 5y ago
> Increasingly the CS grads know a lot of CS and related trivia I like how fundamental knowledge is treated as trivia. It's an interesting perspective. > Side note: The bootcamps around today are much much better than 5 years ago. They are iterating rapidly. Citation Needed here. Almost once every two weeks there are testimonies from Lambda's students that beg to differ.

pcmoney 5y ago

To clarify I think the biggest driver is how driven and self-taught the individual developer is. I don't think going through the paces of a bootcamp or CS degree is a great indicator in and of itself and all else equal IMO the bootcamp wins there. The best people I have worked with have been HS dropouts (fully self taught), MIT and a CMU grad who were very self taught before their program, and bootcamp grads who pivoted from other fields (oddly music, fine arts, and a standup comic. Maybe because in those fields being "good" is completely insufficient and they bring a "must be the best" mindset?)

908B64B197 5y ago

> Increasingly the CS grads know a lot of CS and related trivia I like how fundamental knowledge is treated as trivia. It's an interesting perspective. > Side note: The bootcamps around today are much much better than 5 years ago. They are iterating rapidly. Citation Needed here. Almost once every two weeks there are testimonies from Lambda's students that beg to differ.