Right, and that's my point. Almost no one gets a CS degree to be a computer scientist. They get a CS degree to be a software engineer. So dontcha think we might

Right, and that's my point. Almost no one gets a CS degree to be a computer scientist. They get a CS degree to be a software engineer. So dontcha think we might want to teach them what software engineers do, rather than what computer scientists do? We don't require civil engineers to get a degree in physics and then pick up civil engineering on the job site. Why do that to software engineers?