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> But if it's not a wireless, split, ergonomic keyboard, I am not interested Not wireless, but I've recnetly gotten a ZSA Moonlander [1] keyboard and I'm in lo

> But if it's not a wireless, split, ergonomic keyboard, I am not interested Not wireless, but I've recnetly gotten a ZSA Moonlander [1] keyboard and I'm in love. It's wonderful. Like the System76 one, it's open source and you store the keyboard config on-device. [1] https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/ https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/

konart 5y ago
Ergodox and the like have one big problem: hard or impossible to use if you need a layout for a language that has more than 26 characters.
- eigenspace 5y ago
  I disagree. This keyboard has programmable layers that can be switched between quite easily. For instance, I have a whole layer for greek characters because I use them a lot whilst programming. Developing muscle memory for the layers takes time, but it's not so bad.
  - konart 5y ago
    What does this have to do with the fact that I need all of my russian alphabet when I type in russian? The problem is that the default russian qwerty (or rather йцукен) simply won't fit. You will have to bind additional characters to weird places, which will be messing with your muscle memory or use layers, as you've said. Which is super annoying. Imagine you have to switch to a different layer when you need to type 'z', 'h', 's' and 'p' for example.
    - eigenspace 5y ago
      The Moonlander has 70 keys on it. If you don't want to split up your alphabet, just assign your whole alphabet to the first layer and move things like punctuation or numbers to the next layer There's plenty of room on this keyboard for bigger alphabets.
      - konart 5y ago
        Again - the issue is that this breaks default layout. Obviously any keyboard with at least 33 keys will be enough for me to just place the alphabet on them. The problems is that this breaks everything. Anyhow - after a bunch of keyboards all I can say is that 60-65% ones are the best. I get everything I need - not more, no less.
codetheweb 5y ago
I took the plunge a few months ago on the Moonlander hoping to alleviate wrist pain and have not regretted it one bit.
- cassepipe 5y ago
  I wonder what are the thumb keys mapped to? Or what did you choose to map them to?
  - eigenspace 5y ago
    The base layer of my left thumb cluster has Space, Ctrl, Alt and a key for switching layers. My right thumb cluster's base layer has Enter, Tab, Backspace and Esc.
  - codetheweb 5y ago
    Left is space, backspace, command, and a macro for Raycast. Right is escape, enter, tab, and layer switch key for media controls.
anotherevan 5y ago
Moving some of the keys around, like the parenthesis and such makes me shy away from most keyboard of this ilk. I do like the idea of additional thumb keys though. My ideal is an 80% keyboard with additional thumbs so I'm quite tempted by the X-Bows Knight[1]. [1] https://x-bows.com/products/x-bows-knight-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard https://x-bows.com/products/x-bows-knight-ergonomic-mechanic...
- voltaireodactyl 5y ago
  If an 80% split or unified keyboard with additional thumbs is all you're after, the Dygma Raise might be just what you're after: https://dygma.com https://dygma.com
  - anotherevan 5y ago
    That does look interesting, although it is a 60% keyboard (no arrows, pg up/down, delete or function keys).

konart 5y ago

Ergodox and the like have one big problem: hard or impossible to use if you need a layout for a language that has more than 26 characters.

eigenspace 5y ago
I disagree. This keyboard has programmable layers that can be switched between quite easily. For instance, I have a whole layer for greek characters because I use them a lot whilst programming. Developing muscle memory for the layers takes time, but it's not so bad.
- konart 5y ago
  What does this have to do with the fact that I need all of my russian alphabet when I type in russian? The problem is that the default russian qwerty (or rather йцукен) simply won't fit. You will have to bind additional characters to weird places, which will be messing with your muscle memory or use layers, as you've said. Which is super annoying. Imagine you have to switch to a different layer when you need to type 'z', 'h', 's' and 'p' for example.
  - eigenspace 5y ago
    The Moonlander has 70 keys on it. If you don't want to split up your alphabet, just assign your whole alphabet to the first layer and move things like punctuation or numbers to the next layer There's plenty of room on this keyboard for bigger alphabets.
    - konart 5y ago
      Again - the issue is that this breaks default layout. Obviously any keyboard with at least 33 keys will be enough for me to just place the alphabet on them. The problems is that this breaks everything. Anyhow - after a bunch of keyboards all I can say is that 60-65% ones are the best. I get everything I need - not more, no less.

codetheweb 5y ago

I took the plunge a few months ago on the Moonlander hoping to alleviate wrist pain and have not regretted it one bit.

cassepipe 5y ago
I wonder what are the thumb keys mapped to? Or what did you choose to map them to?
- eigenspace 5y ago
  The base layer of my left thumb cluster has Space, Ctrl, Alt and a key for switching layers. My right thumb cluster's base layer has Enter, Tab, Backspace and Esc.
- codetheweb 5y ago
  Left is space, backspace, command, and a macro for Raycast. Right is escape, enter, tab, and layer switch key for media controls.

anotherevan 5y ago

Moving some of the keys around, like the parenthesis and such makes me shy away from most keyboard of this ilk. I do like the idea of additional thumb keys though. My ideal is an 80% keyboard with additional thumbs so I'm quite tempted by the X-Bows Knight[1]. [1] https://x-bows.com/products/x-bows-knight-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard https://x-bows.com/products/x-bows-knight-ergonomic-mechanic...

voltaireodactyl 5y ago
If an 80% split or unified keyboard with additional thumbs is all you're after, the Dygma Raise might be just what you're after: https://dygma.com https://dygma.com
- anotherevan 5y ago
  That does look interesting, although it is a 60% keyboard (no arrows, pg up/down, delete or function keys).