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Na, cause Bernies team did not speak with the russians unlike trumps team whom spoke with, meet with, and gave information to the russians.

tored 5y ago
What information to whom?
- gebruikersnaam 5y ago
  Treasury: Manafort associate passed 'sensitive' campaign data to Russian intelligence [1] The government finally connects the line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence [2] [1] https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/548447-treasury-manafort-russian-intelligence-trump-campaign-2016 https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/548447-treasury... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/15/government-finally-connects-line-trumps-campaign-russian-intelligence/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/15/governmen...
  - tored 5y ago
    Thanks. Manafort seems to be a dirty player and I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in some shady businesses with people you shouldn't associate with, however that report is based on one line taken from a press release from the Treasure Department providing zero evidence for that claim. I will keep my skepticism on until more evidence is shown. Aaron Maté and Glenn Greenwald discusses this on the Grayzone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA&t=853s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA&t=853s
    - gebruikersnaam 5y ago
      Interesting that you comment on the part from the Treasury Department, and not the WP piece. The latter references the Senate committee, stating that Kilimnik received highly sensitive campaign data and designated him as a Russian agent. If anything needs skepticism its people like Mate and Greenwald.
      - tored 5y ago
        What type of information was shared from the Trump campaign? Polling data and strategy to beat Hillary Clinton. Gates has testified that the polling data was non-sensitive and also dated. I think the only real significant claim the Senate report does is when says the DNC leaks of 2016 was done by GRU and then sent to WikiLeaks and report says "Kilimnik may have been connected to the GRU's hack and leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election", but that proof builds on speculation based redacted material in the Senate report.
        gebruikersnaam 5y ago
        > I think What you think is irrelevant, US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. The fact is that Manafort lied about sharing the data with Kilimnik, that Barr tried to keep it a secret. But lets see what the Senate report actually says: "It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process[,] and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modem era." Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity
        tored 5y ago
        > US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. Where can I read about that classification for this polling data? That part of the report your are quoting is from the addendum of the senators Heinrich, Feinstein, Wyden, Harris and Bennet, all five are members of the Democratic party, so it is not what the report concludes, it just their viewpoints. Nice try. What the report does concludes is "The Committee found that Manafort's presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for the Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. The Committee assesses that Kilimnik likely served as a channel to Manafort for Russian intelligence services, and that those services likely sought to exploit Manafort's access to gain insight info the Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat." Likely is something you use when you don't have hard evidence.

tored 5y ago

What information to whom?

gebruikersnaam 5y ago
Treasury: Manafort associate passed 'sensitive' campaign data to Russian intelligence [1] The government finally connects the line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence [2] [1] https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/548447-treasury-manafort-russian-intelligence-trump-campaign-2016 https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/548447-treasury... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/15/government-finally-connects-line-trumps-campaign-russian-intelligence/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/15/governmen...
- tored 5y ago
  Thanks. Manafort seems to be a dirty player and I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in some shady businesses with people you shouldn't associate with, however that report is based on one line taken from a press release from the Treasure Department providing zero evidence for that claim. I will keep my skepticism on until more evidence is shown. Aaron Maté and Glenn Greenwald discusses this on the Grayzone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA&t=853s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXcjwX-JGA&t=853s
  - gebruikersnaam 5y ago
    Interesting that you comment on the part from the Treasury Department, and not the WP piece. The latter references the Senate committee, stating that Kilimnik received highly sensitive campaign data and designated him as a Russian agent. If anything needs skepticism its people like Mate and Greenwald.
    - tored 5y ago
      What type of information was shared from the Trump campaign? Polling data and strategy to beat Hillary Clinton. Gates has testified that the polling data was non-sensitive and also dated. I think the only real significant claim the Senate report does is when says the DNC leaks of 2016 was done by GRU and then sent to WikiLeaks and report says "Kilimnik may have been connected to the GRU's hack and leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election", but that proof builds on speculation based redacted material in the Senate report.
      - gebruikersnaam 5y ago
        > I think What you think is irrelevant, US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. The fact is that Manafort lied about sharing the data with Kilimnik, that Barr tried to keep it a secret. But lets see what the Senate report actually says: "It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process[,] and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modem era." Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity
        tored 5y ago
        > US intelligence classifies the data as sensitive. Where can I read about that classification for this polling data? That part of the report your are quoting is from the addendum of the senators Heinrich, Feinstein, Wyden, Harris and Bennet, all five are members of the Democratic party, so it is not what the report concludes, it just their viewpoints. Nice try. What the report does concludes is "The Committee found that Manafort's presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for the Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. The Committee assesses that Kilimnik likely served as a channel to Manafort for Russian intelligence services, and that those services likely sought to exploit Manafort's access to gain insight info the Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat." Likely is something you use when you don't have hard evidence.