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> However, remote tech has changed work so much that if I were a betting man, I would be looking at real estate in non-extradition countries as thousands of new

> However, remote tech has changed work so much that if I were a betting man, I would be looking at real estate in non-extradition countries as thousands of new crypto millionaires weigh their options and just leave. Taxes are there to support the infrastructure that powers a country. If someone opts to not pay their share of taxes and leave, they are also not using the infrastructure paid for by taxes. Effectively, if you want to drive on nice roads, have consistent access to clean water and power you can pay taxes.

smeej 5y ago
The part that makes it force is that even if I were willing to go without those things, I can't _not_ pay taxes.
- notyourwork 5y ago
  I think you're being disingenuous with this reply. You cannot physically live in a country and not use their infrastructure. If you don't like ALL the things taxes are used for you are welcome to leave and go elsewhere.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    > If you don't like ALL the things taxes are used for you are welcome to leave and go elsewhere. Yes because customs and immigration will just welcome you with open arms.... /s
    - notyourwork 5y ago
      It is simple: Country X isn't willingly keeping people because countries Y and Z won't welcome a person in. If you want to live in a country you have to abide by that country's rules. This includes paying taxes as defined by that country's tax laws.
      - tomc1985 5y ago
        Country X is effectively keeping people because the only place you can freely and legally enter and permanently reside in is Svalbard. Otherwise you have to immigrate illegally or with some prior arrangement.
        notyourwork 5y ago
        What is your point beyond being argumentative and not providing any substantive value to the conversation. You're free to find a place and exercise their process for entering country legally. You're also welcome to leave and figure it out on your own. Regardless, whatever country you live in has rules. If its the US, you can change things with voting. Beyond that, I see no value in the points you're making here.
  - smeej 5y ago
    I live in the U.S. Even if I leave, if I stop using any of its infrastructure for the rest of my life, I'm expected to pay U.S. income taxes on my income. (Some, but not all, can be excluded.) I genuinely can't get away from it. And even if I could, you say that like there's some other place to go that doesn't impose its own taxes. Just because every government has agreed they should ALL have the rights to take money from people who happened to be born there, it doesn't make it somehow not force. Even if there is not a single thing I think government is uniquely qualified to do that could not be done better by private industry, government is still going to take money from me to do it its way rather than letting me come up with other ways to meet my needs, again, all based on the accident of where I was born. It seems disingenuous to me to look at that reality and call it anything other than force.
- lifty 5y ago
  Of course you can. You can go live in the woods and nobody will come look for taxes. Or, change countries.

smeej 5y ago

The part that makes it force is that even if I were willing to go without those things, I can't _not_ pay taxes.

notyourwork 5y ago
I think you're being disingenuous with this reply. You cannot physically live in a country and not use their infrastructure. If you don't like ALL the things taxes are used for you are welcome to leave and go elsewhere.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  > If you don't like ALL the things taxes are used for you are welcome to leave and go elsewhere. Yes because customs and immigration will just welcome you with open arms.... /s
  - notyourwork 5y ago
    It is simple: Country X isn't willingly keeping people because countries Y and Z won't welcome a person in. If you want to live in a country you have to abide by that country's rules. This includes paying taxes as defined by that country's tax laws.
    - tomc1985 5y ago
      Country X is effectively keeping people because the only place you can freely and legally enter and permanently reside in is Svalbard. Otherwise you have to immigrate illegally or with some prior arrangement.
      - notyourwork 5y ago
        What is your point beyond being argumentative and not providing any substantive value to the conversation. You're free to find a place and exercise their process for entering country legally. You're also welcome to leave and figure it out on your own. Regardless, whatever country you live in has rules. If its the US, you can change things with voting. Beyond that, I see no value in the points you're making here.
- smeej 5y ago
  I live in the U.S. Even if I leave, if I stop using any of its infrastructure for the rest of my life, I'm expected to pay U.S. income taxes on my income. (Some, but not all, can be excluded.) I genuinely can't get away from it. And even if I could, you say that like there's some other place to go that doesn't impose its own taxes. Just because every government has agreed they should ALL have the rights to take money from people who happened to be born there, it doesn't make it somehow not force. Even if there is not a single thing I think government is uniquely qualified to do that could not be done better by private industry, government is still going to take money from me to do it its way rather than letting me come up with other ways to meet my needs, again, all based on the accident of where I was born. It seems disingenuous to me to look at that reality and call it anything other than force.
lifty 5y ago
Of course you can. You can go live in the woods and nobody will come look for taxes. Or, change countries.