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The other consideration for myself when it comes to electric vehicles is charging time - I used to semi-regularily drive ~500 km to see my parents. Most electr

The other consideration for myself when it comes to electric vehicles is charging time - I used to semi-regularily drive ~500 km to see my parents. Most electric vehicles would struggle with that and make me consider a recharge. Even if I have to fill up one or two times on the trip if the time it took was the same as filling up a tank of gas it'd make me much less reluctant. The question there of course is if the power grid could support that much power that quickly. I suppose it would need it's own aluminum-ion tanks that charged continually throughout the day.

ianai 6y ago
Agree. I worry manufacturers are going to consider a range near 300 miles or 500 km “enough”. Many people in the US at least live in rural places where a 300 mile round trip might be needed weekly or even daily (for “shorter” distances like 200 miles that could still challenge a battery on a hot/cold day).
- DennisP 6y ago
  I would bet that Tesla will make an extreme-range electric car whenever they can, just to show off. They're already at 500 miles on the high end. You might be right for other companies though, until Tesla proves extreme range has a market and they have to catch up again.
- zamalek 6y ago
  You wouldn't need fast charging for a 300mi trip, assuming you had level 1 charging at your destination. 300mi daily may be too much for at-home level 1, but at-home level 2 (washer/dryer plug) isn't hard to install at all.
elif 6y ago
That's a good point. Current LI Teslas recharge times are bounded by the charging stations, and not the batteries. Non-tesla charging stations are even worse, and become buggy when trying to charge the mach E at the rate the vehicle attempts.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > Non-tesla charging stations are even worse No, the fastest charging cars on the road today are CCS cars and so far none of them can make full use of a 350 kW CCS charging station. The Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT have peak charging speeds of 270 kW. The Lucid Air is supposed to have a peak charge rate above 300 kW. The Audi e-tron charges at 150 kW but its charging curve is flat to 80% so it ends up being one of the fastest charging EVs. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 peak at around 225 kW and stay above 130 kW to reach 80% state of charge in 18 minutes.
c0nfused 6y ago
I think that you will find that generally you can make roughly similar trips, assuming you are in an area what has the stations installed. You can try various options easily here: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
- SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
  I just tried to build the trip - with a Tesla long range I only have to add a 20 minute supercharger stop (assuming that the slots are available), but for a Chevy volt it's adding an hour of charging time in two 30 minute breaks.
  - wffurr 6y ago
    Supercharger network is a big advantage for Teslas. Hoping the other charging networks catch up eventually.
    - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
      Ideally we don't develop a ton of different proprietary networks and instead have fuel stations.

ianai 6y ago

Agree. I worry manufacturers are going to consider a range near 300 miles or 500 km “enough”. Many people in the US at least live in rural places where a 300 mile round trip might be needed weekly or even daily (for “shorter” distances like 200 miles that could still challenge a battery on a hot/cold day).

DennisP 6y ago
I would bet that Tesla will make an extreme-range electric car whenever they can, just to show off. They're already at 500 miles on the high end. You might be right for other companies though, until Tesla proves extreme range has a market and they have to catch up again.
zamalek 6y ago
You wouldn't need fast charging for a 300mi trip, assuming you had level 1 charging at your destination. 300mi daily may be too much for at-home level 1, but at-home level 2 (washer/dryer plug) isn't hard to install at all.

elif 6y ago

That's a good point. Current LI Teslas recharge times are bounded by the charging stations, and not the batteries. Non-tesla charging stations are even worse, and become buggy when trying to charge the mach E at the rate the vehicle attempts.

clouddrover 6y ago
> Non-tesla charging stations are even worse No, the fastest charging cars on the road today are CCS cars and so far none of them can make full use of a 350 kW CCS charging station. The Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron GT have peak charging speeds of 270 kW. The Lucid Air is supposed to have a peak charge rate above 300 kW. The Audi e-tron charges at 150 kW but its charging curve is flat to 80% so it ends up being one of the fastest charging EVs. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 peak at around 225 kW and stay above 130 kW to reach 80% state of charge in 18 minutes.

c0nfused 6y ago

I think that you will find that generally you can make roughly similar trips, assuming you are in an area what has the stations installed. You can try various options easily here: https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
I just tried to build the trip - with a Tesla long range I only have to add a 20 minute supercharger stop (assuming that the slots are available), but for a Chevy volt it's adding an hour of charging time in two 30 minute breaks.
- wffurr 6y ago
  Supercharger network is a big advantage for Teslas. Hoping the other charging networks catch up eventually.
  - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
    Ideally we don't develop a ton of different proprietary networks and instead have fuel stations.