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Your last paragraph I get it but I think that's also a sign of racism? Like say I'm Russian because I kinda am, no one holds me accountable for Putin's actions.

Your last paragraph I get it but I think that's also a sign of racism? Like say I'm Russian because I kinda am, no one holds me accountable for Putin's actions. The geopolitical positioning of Russia's regime at any given moment doesn't affect how safe I feel in my current country, doesn't affect how strangers feel about me. The fact that it does for some chinese-americans and other asians.... I'm not sure exactly what it says but there is something there and I don't think it's benign.

klmadfejno 5y ago
Of course, but there needs to be a way to say, for example, Russia is a hostile state without being seen as prejudiced against people of Russian descent. If someone says anti-asian ideals are on the rise, I think it's important to unpack that to say it is caused primarily by the ccp. Many people are anti-ccp but not anti-asian, likely including, a majority of non-chinese southeast asians. Having that conversation is how you remove vague racist sentiments and encourage a focus on actual political entities. Yes, people often fail and just use visual cues. But historically there have been differences. E.g. the original american views on japan were that of a refined civilization and sort of honorary white Asian vs. the chinese, which is all sorts of fucked up, but serves to highlight that even dumbass racially driven views can have nuance.
numpad0 5y ago
To me the GP look like just a thinly veiled “F-word [nationality] [noun]s can go home but some with [judgmental criteria] are good”... Rivalry is strong among East Asian countries. It probably isn’t causing cognitive dissonance in GP for using racist narratives against Asian categories while identifying as an Asian.
- klmadfejno 5y ago
  I don't suppose the irony is lost upon you that you're using a stereotype of Asians to justify asserting that I'm racist. Consider a good faith interpretation in which I don't think anyone needs to good home because I didn't say anything like that. Assuming you're a liberal American, how do you feel about conservative media saying the country needs to be protected from anti-american sentiment in europe for trump being an idiot some time ago? Is it possible you thought "Actually I dislike trump too, he's not my president, and I shouldn't be held accountable for him?" Do you accept generalizations about Americans using subsets that you find abhorrent? Have you never said "there's large differences between the red and blue states, it's not all like that"? I certainly said things like that a lot, and at the end of the day, I think the crimes against humanity being committed by the CCP are worse than those of trump.

klmadfejno 5y ago

Of course, but there needs to be a way to say, for example, Russia is a hostile state without being seen as prejudiced against people of Russian descent. If someone says anti-asian ideals are on the rise, I think it's important to unpack that to say it is caused primarily by the ccp. Many people are anti-ccp but not anti-asian, likely including, a majority of non-chinese southeast asians. Having that conversation is how you remove vague racist sentiments and encourage a focus on actual political entities. Yes, people often fail and just use visual cues. But historically there have been differences. E.g. the original american views on japan were that of a refined civilization and sort of honorary white Asian vs. the chinese, which is all sorts of fucked up, but serves to highlight that even dumbass racially driven views can have nuance.

numpad0 5y ago

To me the GP look like just a thinly veiled “F-word [nationality] [noun]s can go home but some with [judgmental criteria] are good”... Rivalry is strong among East Asian countries. It probably isn’t causing cognitive dissonance in GP for using racist narratives against Asian categories while identifying as an Asian.

klmadfejno 5y ago
I don't suppose the irony is lost upon you that you're using a stereotype of Asians to justify asserting that I'm racist. Consider a good faith interpretation in which I don't think anyone needs to good home because I didn't say anything like that. Assuming you're a liberal American, how do you feel about conservative media saying the country needs to be protected from anti-american sentiment in europe for trump being an idiot some time ago? Is it possible you thought "Actually I dislike trump too, he's not my president, and I shouldn't be held accountable for him?" Do you accept generalizations about Americans using subsets that you find abhorrent? Have you never said "there's large differences between the red and blue states, it's not all like that"? I certainly said things like that a lot, and at the end of the day, I think the crimes against humanity being committed by the CCP are worse than those of trump.