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Discord is a centrally controlled walled garden. The whole point of Matrix is decentralisation and federation - which is closer to the spirit of IRC than what

Discord is a centrally controlled walled garden. The whole point of Matrix is decentralisation and federation - which is closer to the spirit of IRC than what Discord is. Also, Matrix is a protocol, not a centralised service like Discord.

sascha_sl 5y ago
And? The kinda of communities that used to be on IRC and aren't invested in the "indie web" are on Discord. That's just a fact. I don't like it either, but I totally get it when when Synapse+Element are still a slow inconsistent error-throwing mess if you don't disable federation (which all large-name adopters have done).
- fastball 5y ago
  Right, people who want what Discord offers are already on Discord. For everyone else (the people that are still on IRC 20 years later) Matrix is probably more what they're looking for.
- kitkat_new 5y ago
  > I don't like it either, but I totally get it when when Synapse+Element are still a slow inconsistent error-throwing mess if you don't disable federation It isn't really. I can't confirm this despite being part of the biggest rooms in the network on matrix.org. It was slow (very slow) once (when Matrix grow and Synapse wasn't scalable), but that has been in the past for a while now
  - sascha_sl 5y ago
    I tried this, weeks ago. Joining rooms timed out on the client, and took about an half an hour to an hour to sync up to a point I'd assume it'd be reliable. Sort of. That's probably all fine once you're settled in, but "the largest rooms" aren't even close to as active as a typical Discord server. It'd be a horrible drop-in replacement for Discord right now.
    - kitkat_new 5y ago
      largest in amount of servers that are participating (which actually makes the biggest resource impact). What did you do for half an hour sync time (I guess initial sync when you login the first time with Element?)
      - sascha_sl 5y ago
        Mostly stare at the logs, seeing about half of the requests going to dead servers and waiting for it all to settle down.
        Arathorn 5y ago
        Joining is still slow. You may be interested in the video in today’s This Week In Matrix which details how we’re fixing this: https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/14/this-week-in-matrix-2021-05-14 https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/14/this-week-in-matrix-2021-...

sascha_sl 5y ago

And? The kinda of communities that used to be on IRC and aren't invested in the "indie web" are on Discord. That's just a fact. I don't like it either, but I totally get it when when Synapse+Element are still a slow inconsistent error-throwing mess if you don't disable federation (which all large-name adopters have done).

fastball 5y ago
Right, people who want what Discord offers are already on Discord. For everyone else (the people that are still on IRC 20 years later) Matrix is probably more what they're looking for.
kitkat_new 5y ago
> I don't like it either, but I totally get it when when Synapse+Element are still a slow inconsistent error-throwing mess if you don't disable federation It isn't really. I can't confirm this despite being part of the biggest rooms in the network on matrix.org. It was slow (very slow) once (when Matrix grow and Synapse wasn't scalable), but that has been in the past for a while now
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  I tried this, weeks ago. Joining rooms timed out on the client, and took about an half an hour to an hour to sync up to a point I'd assume it'd be reliable. Sort of. That's probably all fine once you're settled in, but "the largest rooms" aren't even close to as active as a typical Discord server. It'd be a horrible drop-in replacement for Discord right now.
  - kitkat_new 5y ago
    largest in amount of servers that are participating (which actually makes the biggest resource impact). What did you do for half an hour sync time (I guess initial sync when you login the first time with Element?)
    - sascha_sl 5y ago
      Mostly stare at the logs, seeing about half of the requests going to dead servers and waiting for it all to settle down.
      - Arathorn 5y ago
        Joining is still slow. You may be interested in the video in today’s This Week In Matrix which details how we’re fixing this: https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/14/this-week-in-matrix-2021-05-14 https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/14/this-week-in-matrix-2021-...