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Discord is a private company, IRC and Matrix are protocols.

dragontamer 5y ago
Similarly, no one wants "email". They want gmail, or some other service that gives them email. IRC is not a home. Discord is a home. FreeNode is (was?) a home. The admin and moderation team (and the corporate structure therein) makes a difference that technical details cannot replicate.
- vbsteven 5y ago
  The point is that IRC as a protocol makes it possible to join the FreeNode “home” from any compatible client on any platform. And users can modify most of these clients to their liking. Same with email or Matrix. But with Discord users are locked in to use the closed source Discord clients, or reverse engineer the discord “protocol” and risk being banned because of it.
  - anticensor 5y ago
    Ripcord (third party client) and Litecord (third party server) exist.
    - Macha 5y ago
      Here is Discord's official policy on it: > You are not mistaken. We do not support 3rd party clients, and they are not allowed per our ToS/API ToS. https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_unofficial_native_discord_client_no/e1adbu5/ https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_...
      - anticensor 5y ago
        And here is what Jake Henry, the antispam engineer of Discord, said: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151
        Macha 5y ago
        So "You might get banned for it, if you ask nicely we might unban you, don't do it again" is not exactly the same level of supports third party clients that IRC or Matrix do.
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  > no one wants "email" > They want ... some ... service that gives them email. Aren't these two statements contradictory? "I have email" and "I have email service" mean the same thing to me.
- _flux 5y ago
  How many would want gmail if or any other service that could only exchange messages with other users of the same system? Email is what makes it happen that systems can exchange messages with each other. Much like Matrix. Much unlike Discord.

Similarly, no one wants "email". They want gmail, or some other service that gives them email. IRC is not a home. Discord is a home. FreeNode is (was?) a home. The admin and moderation team (and the corporate structure therein) makes a difference that technical details cannot replicate.

vbsteven 5y ago
The point is that IRC as a protocol makes it possible to join the FreeNode “home” from any compatible client on any platform. And users can modify most of these clients to their liking. Same with email or Matrix. But with Discord users are locked in to use the closed source Discord clients, or reverse engineer the discord “protocol” and risk being banned because of it.
- anticensor 5y ago
  Ripcord (third party client) and Litecord (third party server) exist.
  - Macha 5y ago
    Here is Discord's official policy on it: > You are not mistaken. We do not support 3rd party clients, and they are not allowed per our ToS/API ToS. https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_unofficial_native_discord_client_no/e1adbu5/ https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_...
    - anticensor 5y ago
      And here is what Jake Henry, the antispam engineer of Discord, said: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151
      - Macha 5y ago
        So "You might get banned for it, if you ask nicely we might unban you, don't do it again" is not exactly the same level of supports third party clients that IRC or Matrix do.
ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
> no one wants "email" > They want ... some ... service that gives them email. Aren't these two statements contradictory? "I have email" and "I have email service" mean the same thing to me.
_flux 5y ago
How many would want gmail if or any other service that could only exchange messages with other users of the same system? Email is what makes it happen that systems can exchange messages with each other. Much like Matrix. Much unlike Discord.