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Fauci had said the reason they made a misspeak about masks is because they were afraid there would not be enough for first responders

by o-__-o 5y ago

varjag 5y ago
That sure helped the trust to CDC.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Trust in the CDC and Fauci only really declined among Republican voters (and was still high). Sometimes, certain people being told not to trust you is a sign you're doing the right thing.
  - varjag 5y ago
    Inefficacy of masks is a central point in anti-maskers message, and sometimes they would cite you the whole passages from official WHO/CDC advisories. And the belated reversal is just an additional point to "scientists don't know shit" attitude. No, yeah it did tremendous damage. While there'd certainly be anti maskers without anti-mask hysteria by authorities, the scale would not be the same. It's hard to quantify but likely many tens of thousands of excess deaths globally are on WHO lies.
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      "anti-mask hysteria by authorities"? People were having difficulty providing evidence that Fauci admitted to telling a white lie elsewhere in these comments, yet it's widely believed by certain people that he did so. There's a link to a factcheck in the comments that quotes what he actually said and it's not at all what many people in this thread seem to sincerely, but mistakenly, think he said. So allow me to doubt that "anti-mask hysteria" was ever coming from the medical and scientific community unless I see exactly what you're talking about and evaluate it with my own eyes. But I guess if we disagree on the facts, that helps explain why we draw different conclusions.
      - varjag 5y ago
        Do not confuse medical and scientific community with authorities. The ill advisory was coming from WHO and parroted by national authorities (including CDC). All while the efficacy of masks against airborne/pulmonary diseases was pretty much established. WHO is not a scientific body conducting independent research but a bureaucratic organization with heavy dose of politics. However back in spring 2020 when the official position amounted to "a mask is a facehugger", arguing for using masks (including by medical professionals) was effectively impossible.
        ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        > in spring 2020 when the official position amounted to "a mask is a facehugger" Well I guess it would be fruitless to ask for a source on this.
        varjag 5y ago
        “There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” Perencevich said, the publication reported. “They wear them incorrectly, and they can increase the risk of infection because they’re touching their face more often.” https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240780786.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240... "Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns" https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-coronavirus-masks-risk-trnd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-co... It was literally everywhere until correction in april 2020.
        ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        I think we watched different versions of the Alien(s) franchise. Did they retcon that in the prequels? Don't let that facehugger insert a parasite embryo down your throat! Why not? Well overall it would be more beneficial to society if frontline medical staff were wearing that facehugger while treating patients with confirmed or suspected cases of the virus. Oh okay, that seems sensible.
  - nobodyandproud 5y ago
    You do not speak for most Democrats. I’m a Democrat; my circle is mostly Democrats. We also knew last year in February and March that we wanted masks. So trust that Fauci meant well? Yes. He was in an extremely difficult position and in a position of policy advisor. But trudt that masks were ineffective for the average person? Absolutely not. It’s a contradiction that masks are effective for frontlines, yet somehow without reason or usefulness for everyone else. So if it didn’t decline, perphaps it’s more accurate to say that there was only ever a certain type of trust to begin with. And the past 12 months have borne out that suspicion.
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      I'm not a Democrat, which shouldn't really matter. I'm just relaying what actual surveys found, they were regularly asking questions about who was a trusted source of information on COVID and reporting on trends. Feel free to Google for them if you can't accept what I said as plausible.
      - nobodyandproud 5y ago
        I can’t accept your assertion because the polls say some very different. For example: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/04/26/poll--nearly-three-quarters-of-unvaccinated-americans-unwilling-to-get-the-johnson---johnson-vaccine https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/04/26/poll-... Despite Fauci assuring that the J&J is safe, people are still very hesitant. Which means the trust extended to Fauci only goes so far. So while you want to paint a broad stroke of “Democrats trust” vs “Republicans don’t”, the reality is far more nuanced.
hitpointdrew 5y ago
It wasn't a "misspeak" it was a lie. He admitted it was a lie, and that he knew it was lie. If he wanted to give the Gov and CDC any credibility then he should have been honest about the need to reserve masks for health care professionals and urged people not to buy them and make home-made one instead. There is no valid excuse "I was lying for the greater good", that is bullshit.
- ljlolel 5y ago
  https://medium.com/p/4ef05aa357c5 https://medium.com/p/4ef05aa357c5

Fauci had said the reason they made a misspeak about masks is because they were afraid there would not be enough for first responders

by o-__-o 5y ago

Fauci had said the reason they made a misspeak about masks is because they were afraid there would not be enough for first responders

varjag 5y ago

That sure helped the trust to CDC.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
Trust in the CDC and Fauci only really declined among Republican voters (and was still high). Sometimes, certain people being told not to trust you is a sign you're doing the right thing.
- varjag 5y ago
  Inefficacy of masks is a central point in anti-maskers message, and sometimes they would cite you the whole passages from official WHO/CDC advisories. And the belated reversal is just an additional point to "scientists don't know shit" attitude. No, yeah it did tremendous damage. While there'd certainly be anti maskers without anti-mask hysteria by authorities, the scale would not be the same. It's hard to quantify but likely many tens of thousands of excess deaths globally are on WHO lies.
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    "anti-mask hysteria by authorities"? People were having difficulty providing evidence that Fauci admitted to telling a white lie elsewhere in these comments, yet it's widely believed by certain people that he did so. There's a link to a factcheck in the comments that quotes what he actually said and it's not at all what many people in this thread seem to sincerely, but mistakenly, think he said. So allow me to doubt that "anti-mask hysteria" was ever coming from the medical and scientific community unless I see exactly what you're talking about and evaluate it with my own eyes. But I guess if we disagree on the facts, that helps explain why we draw different conclusions.
    - varjag 5y ago
      Do not confuse medical and scientific community with authorities. The ill advisory was coming from WHO and parroted by national authorities (including CDC). All while the efficacy of masks against airborne/pulmonary diseases was pretty much established. WHO is not a scientific body conducting independent research but a bureaucratic organization with heavy dose of politics. However back in spring 2020 when the official position amounted to "a mask is a facehugger", arguing for using masks (including by medical professionals) was effectively impossible.
      - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        > in spring 2020 when the official position amounted to "a mask is a facehugger" Well I guess it would be fruitless to ask for a source on this.
        varjag 5y ago
        “There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” Perencevich said, the publication reported. “They wear them incorrectly, and they can increase the risk of infection because they’re touching their face more often.” https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240780786.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240... "Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns" https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-coronavirus-masks-risk-trnd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-co... It was literally everywhere until correction in april 2020.
        ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        I think we watched different versions of the Alien(s) franchise. Did they retcon that in the prequels? Don't let that facehugger insert a parasite embryo down your throat! Why not? Well overall it would be more beneficial to society if frontline medical staff were wearing that facehugger while treating patients with confirmed or suspected cases of the virus. Oh okay, that seems sensible.
- nobodyandproud 5y ago
  You do not speak for most Democrats. I’m a Democrat; my circle is mostly Democrats. We also knew last year in February and March that we wanted masks. So trust that Fauci meant well? Yes. He was in an extremely difficult position and in a position of policy advisor. But trudt that masks were ineffective for the average person? Absolutely not. It’s a contradiction that masks are effective for frontlines, yet somehow without reason or usefulness for everyone else. So if it didn’t decline, perphaps it’s more accurate to say that there was only ever a certain type of trust to begin with. And the past 12 months have borne out that suspicion.
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    I'm not a Democrat, which shouldn't really matter. I'm just relaying what actual surveys found, they were regularly asking questions about who was a trusted source of information on COVID and reporting on trends. Feel free to Google for them if you can't accept what I said as plausible.
    - nobodyandproud 5y ago
      I can’t accept your assertion because the polls say some very different. For example: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/04/26/poll--nearly-three-quarters-of-unvaccinated-americans-unwilling-to-get-the-johnson---johnson-vaccine https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/04/26/poll-... Despite Fauci assuring that the J&J is safe, people are still very hesitant. Which means the trust extended to Fauci only goes so far. So while you want to paint a broad stroke of “Democrats trust” vs “Republicans don’t”, the reality is far more nuanced.

hitpointdrew 5y ago

It wasn't a "misspeak" it was a lie. He admitted it was a lie, and that he knew it was lie. If he wanted to give the Gov and CDC any credibility then he should have been honest about the need to reserve masks for health care professionals and urged people not to buy them and make home-made one instead. There is no valid excuse "I was lying for the greater good", that is bullshit.

ljlolel 5y ago
https://medium.com/p/4ef05aa357c5 https://medium.com/p/4ef05aa357c5