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Why do you resort to emotive language? This is a very simple policy. If the law changes, and you break the new law, you are still breaking the law. Borders are

Why do you resort to emotive language? This is a very simple policy. If the law changes, and you break the new law, you are still breaking the law. Borders are determined by the desires of those within them. The right to self-determination is a key principle of international law (unless you're Spain, apparently).

olodus 5y ago
It might be a simple policy but your border guards seem to have misunderstood it. It says EU citizens are allowed to enter UK for interviews but they are still being detained. It is perfectly OK if you want to have inefficient system (wasting UK money on holding people who does not need to be held) but we as EU countries just ask that you give our citizens the possibility to call our embassies before you detain them to let us help them out of your country. Until then we will continue to calling you douchebags for how you treat our citizens that are trying to enter your country legally, sorry for the emotionally loaded words.
- Symbiote 5y ago
  Please target your anger to at most half of the British people. (I will gladly join in.) With the UK's horrifically undemocratic voting system, the leading party often wins a strong majority of the power in Parliament with significantly less than half the national vote. In the 2019 election, the Conservative party won 56.2% of the seats in Parliament with 43.6% of the vote.[0] In 2017, 48.8% of seats came from 42.4% of the vote. In 2015, 50.8% of seats came from 36.8% of the vote. In 2010, 47.1% of seats came from 36.1% of the vote. In 2005, 55.2% of seats came from 35.2% of the vote. In 2001, 62.5% of seats came from 40.7% of the vote. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election#Summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el... and links to other elections at the bottom.
- callamdelaney 5y ago
  Yes, once the European Union stop ruining the Oceans and screwing over the third world, I promise to stop calling you all douchebags too.
- thu2111 5y ago
  The person in the article was planning to spend months looking for work. That's not entering for an interview. Interviews last hours, not months.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  > It says EU citizens are allowed to enter UK for interviews but they are still being detained. They are being detained because they do not enter the UK to attend interviews: The 2 women used as examples in the article did not have an interview scheduled and, as a consequence, did not have an invitation letter. They wanted to enter the UK to look for work. That's very different and, I expect, the reason they were detained as that is indeed illegal without a visa. If it is allowed to enter visa-free to attend an interview and you have the necessary evidence (i.e. I expect, invitation letter and return ticket within 24-48 hours) I highly doubt that you will be detained. There are always people who try to break the rules or who do not do their homework. This sort of thing happens everyday. The difference is that EU citizens are not used to this happening to them. For instance, even before Brexit the UK was not in Schengen and I witnessed several times, both in UK and France, non-EU citizens being stopped on arrival despite being residents in UK/EU because they thought they didn't need a visa to visit Paris from London or London from Paris.
Barrin92 5y ago
>Why do you resort to emotive language? because this border issue is an emotional and symbolic issue at heart and it's important to recognize that, there is no rational case here why there should be any restriction to freedom of movement. Are you going to be that calm if Scotland attempts to exercise it or if Irish violence flares up again? Erecting borders after decades of freedom of movement is no 'simple policy'. Detaining neighbors just because you can is a sort of behavior that indicates there's something going deeply wrong in the UK.

olodus 5y ago

It might be a simple policy but your border guards seem to have misunderstood it. It says EU citizens are allowed to enter UK for interviews but they are still being detained. It is perfectly OK if you want to have inefficient system (wasting UK money on holding people who does not need to be held) but we as EU countries just ask that you give our citizens the possibility to call our embassies before you detain them to let us help them out of your country. Until then we will continue to calling you douchebags for how you treat our citizens that are trying to enter your country legally, sorry for the emotionally loaded words.

Symbiote 5y ago
Please target your anger to at most half of the British people. (I will gladly join in.) With the UK's horrifically undemocratic voting system, the leading party often wins a strong majority of the power in Parliament with significantly less than half the national vote. In the 2019 election, the Conservative party won 56.2% of the seats in Parliament with 43.6% of the vote.[0] In 2017, 48.8% of seats came from 42.4% of the vote. In 2015, 50.8% of seats came from 36.8% of the vote. In 2010, 47.1% of seats came from 36.1% of the vote. In 2005, 55.2% of seats came from 35.2% of the vote. In 2001, 62.5% of seats came from 40.7% of the vote. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election#Summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el... and links to other elections at the bottom.
callamdelaney 5y ago
Yes, once the European Union stop ruining the Oceans and screwing over the third world, I promise to stop calling you all douchebags too.
thu2111 5y ago
The person in the article was planning to spend months looking for work. That's not entering for an interview. Interviews last hours, not months.
mytailorisrich 5y ago
> It says EU citizens are allowed to enter UK for interviews but they are still being detained. They are being detained because they do not enter the UK to attend interviews: The 2 women used as examples in the article did not have an interview scheduled and, as a consequence, did not have an invitation letter. They wanted to enter the UK to look for work. That's very different and, I expect, the reason they were detained as that is indeed illegal without a visa. If it is allowed to enter visa-free to attend an interview and you have the necessary evidence (i.e. I expect, invitation letter and return ticket within 24-48 hours) I highly doubt that you will be detained. There are always people who try to break the rules or who do not do their homework. This sort of thing happens everyday. The difference is that EU citizens are not used to this happening to them. For instance, even before Brexit the UK was not in Schengen and I witnessed several times, both in UK and France, non-EU citizens being stopped on arrival despite being residents in UK/EU because they thought they didn't need a visa to visit Paris from London or London from Paris.

Barrin92 5y ago

>Why do you resort to emotive language? because this border issue is an emotional and symbolic issue at heart and it's important to recognize that, there is no rational case here why there should be any restriction to freedom of movement. Are you going to be that calm if Scotland attempts to exercise it or if Irish violence flares up again? Erecting borders after decades of freedom of movement is no 'simple policy'. Detaining neighbors just because you can is a sort of behavior that indicates there's something going deeply wrong in the UK.