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> I am looking forward to the English getting the same treatment What a truly vile statement, unworthy of HN. Roughly half the English population (including m

> I am looking forward to the English getting the same treatment What a truly vile statement, unworthy of HN. Roughly half the English population (including myself) voted to remain. We are not gloating, but working hard to ensure cooperation with the EU continues..... ..... and no doubt, preparing for the next referendum to return to the EU in 10 years time (after all, a second independence referendum is now on the cards for Scotland, the precedent has been set).

Veen 5y ago
You can't expect anything better from Scottish nationalists. A very nasty bunch all round.
- bogle 5y ago
  Pejorative comments about the Scottish do not cast you in a very good light.
  - Veen 5y ago
    First, it was a response to perjoritive comments about the English. Second, I made no perjoritive comments about the Scottish, just Scottish Nationalists. I know many excellent Scots.
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  Not a Scottish, let alone a nationalist, I am just a person that thinks the English haven't suffered the consequences of their imperialism and need to get down of their high horse.
  - Veen 5y ago
    You appear to be ignorant of the history of the British Empire and the role the Scots played in it. One point worth mentioning: the motivation for the union between England and Scotland was that the Scottish had bankrupted themselves in their own attempts to form an empire (Google the Darien Scheme). The Scots were not conquered; they voluntarily joined the Union. The British Empire was not the English Empire, and the Scottish played as much of a role in its formation and administration as the English.
    - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
      The Darien Scheme failed because the English colonial establishment worked hard to sabotage it, because it competed with their own interests. English Nationalists like yourself are far more toxic than the Scots Nats. You're still trying to play the same spoiler games you were playing more than two hundred years ago.
      - Veen 5y ago
        Aye, perfidious Albion is always to blame for Scotland's failures. And I'm not an English nationalist. I'm a Unionist.
        pjc50 5y ago
        Unionism is English nationalism, as currently structured.
        Veen 5y ago
        Do you believe then that the majority of Scots who voted against independence were, in fact, English nationalists?
  - mutatio 5y ago
    So you're of the belief the son pays for the debt of the father - which country has paid off this debt? The US, Germany, France (ad infinitum)? Seems a bit unhinged to me.
    - PartiallyTyped 5y ago
      They can, for starters, return sculptures and artifacts they have stolen, they can come out, suck their egos, and admit their horrific acts in public. That's a good compromise. The Germans know and have admitted their horrific acts, where are the Americans and the Russians admitting how they pillaged and raped Berlin? The Russians in Poland? Where are the Brits admitting how they treated their prisoners in every country they pillaged, how they pitted communities against each other? Where are the rest of the European countries talking about their horrific acts in Africa? Canada and Natives anyone? I could continue but you get the idea. Just because ITT it just happened to be the Brits, doesn't mean the rest should be scoff free. Humanity needs to address its vile past, and those that played part need to pay for it. Germans only paid because they were the losers. The only reason Turkey admitted to genocide is because they are made to. Israel will never acknowledge zionism and their literal genocide of the Palestinians because they are backed by the US.
      - mutatio 5y ago
        "and admit their horrific acts" - I don't think any person from the UK/US has engaged in any of this (both educational systems teach about the wrongs of the Empire and American expansionism at the cost of natives AFAIK), but you're prescribing guilt, it's vindictive madness. Does a child born in the UK from African parents inherit this sin?
        PartiallyTyped 5y ago
        A person may be free from guilt, but a nation is not. I can, with absolute certainty, tell you that the educational system of the Uk does not go into details on the horrific acts of their empire, they do not get into details of how they pitted communities against each other and orchestrated coups all around the world that resulted in 'interventions', all premeditated, they do not go into details on the torturing they committed.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  I much prefer them to the Black and Tans. Scott's will be much better off being part of the EU. It'll be difficult for some businesses to adjust in the long term considering how strongly they're tied to the South economically. But the short term looks terrible anyway no matter what course they take. And the argument of independence becomes even stronger considering there is a) legal base for it and b) the South will anyway end up isolating itself so much from the rest of the world that the economic argument isn't much of a reward in contrast to EU membership (at least not in the long run)
PartiallyTyped 5y ago
Perhaps. I rephrased it to be reflective that I would like the English officials to be treated like trash because, if you actually read the article, the treatment is inhumane. I have a lot of gripe with the English for how they treat other people, perhaps if they get a taste of their own medicine they may snap back to reality and forget the greatness that was their empire (obviously /s).
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  biggest issue in the UK unlike many other EU countries is how deeply polarized their media is. Very difficult to reason and bring the camps together which means the only way to get better is if it first gets worse. A complete shame considering the UK joined the EU because it was the sick man of Europe back in the 70ies and it was welcomed especially by other partners who felt it provided a much needed liberal balance to the power duality of France & Germany. We're all at a loss that they left IMO. As for vindication the people certainly deserve not what's coming and happening to them, the true villains sit in the news rooms pumping out racist and dividing shit calling itself "free media" but the truth is it's run by a bunch of oligarchs. Eat the rich and bring guillotines to these places so that the poor and brainwashed people who've been fed on a steady diet of divisive garbage and are the real victims in this sham won't get hurt. It's a really easy trolley problem this one. Sadly history shows that the trolley company is the one that tends to win.
silicon2401 5y ago
I agree. That comment is a sad but common result of people who seek vengeance under the facade of justice.

Veen 5y ago

You can't expect anything better from Scottish nationalists. A very nasty bunch all round.

bogle 5y ago
Pejorative comments about the Scottish do not cast you in a very good light.
- Veen 5y ago
  First, it was a response to perjoritive comments about the English. Second, I made no perjoritive comments about the Scottish, just Scottish Nationalists. I know many excellent Scots.
PartiallyTyped 5y ago
Not a Scottish, let alone a nationalist, I am just a person that thinks the English haven't suffered the consequences of their imperialism and need to get down of their high horse.
- Veen 5y ago
  You appear to be ignorant of the history of the British Empire and the role the Scots played in it. One point worth mentioning: the motivation for the union between England and Scotland was that the Scottish had bankrupted themselves in their own attempts to form an empire (Google the Darien Scheme). The Scots were not conquered; they voluntarily joined the Union. The British Empire was not the English Empire, and the Scottish played as much of a role in its formation and administration as the English.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    The Darien Scheme failed because the English colonial establishment worked hard to sabotage it, because it competed with their own interests. English Nationalists like yourself are far more toxic than the Scots Nats. You're still trying to play the same spoiler games you were playing more than two hundred years ago.
    - Veen 5y ago
      Aye, perfidious Albion is always to blame for Scotland's failures. And I'm not an English nationalist. I'm a Unionist.
      - pjc50 5y ago
        Unionism is English nationalism, as currently structured.
        Veen 5y ago
        Do you believe then that the majority of Scots who voted against independence were, in fact, English nationalists?
- mutatio 5y ago
  So you're of the belief the son pays for the debt of the father - which country has paid off this debt? The US, Germany, France (ad infinitum)? Seems a bit unhinged to me.
  - PartiallyTyped 5y ago
    They can, for starters, return sculptures and artifacts they have stolen, they can come out, suck their egos, and admit their horrific acts in public. That's a good compromise. The Germans know and have admitted their horrific acts, where are the Americans and the Russians admitting how they pillaged and raped Berlin? The Russians in Poland? Where are the Brits admitting how they treated their prisoners in every country they pillaged, how they pitted communities against each other? Where are the rest of the European countries talking about their horrific acts in Africa? Canada and Natives anyone? I could continue but you get the idea. Just because ITT it just happened to be the Brits, doesn't mean the rest should be scoff free. Humanity needs to address its vile past, and those that played part need to pay for it. Germans only paid because they were the losers. The only reason Turkey admitted to genocide is because they are made to. Israel will never acknowledge zionism and their literal genocide of the Palestinians because they are backed by the US.
    - mutatio 5y ago
      "and admit their horrific acts" - I don't think any person from the UK/US has engaged in any of this (both educational systems teach about the wrongs of the Empire and American expansionism at the cost of natives AFAIK), but you're prescribing guilt, it's vindictive madness. Does a child born in the UK from African parents inherit this sin?
      - PartiallyTyped 5y ago
        A person may be free from guilt, but a nation is not. I can, with absolute certainty, tell you that the educational system of the Uk does not go into details on the horrific acts of their empire, they do not get into details of how they pitted communities against each other and orchestrated coups all around the world that resulted in 'interventions', all premeditated, they do not go into details on the torturing they committed.
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
I much prefer them to the Black and Tans. Scott's will be much better off being part of the EU. It'll be difficult for some businesses to adjust in the long term considering how strongly they're tied to the South economically. But the short term looks terrible anyway no matter what course they take. And the argument of independence becomes even stronger considering there is a) legal base for it and b) the South will anyway end up isolating itself so much from the rest of the world that the economic argument isn't much of a reward in contrast to EU membership (at least not in the long run)

PartiallyTyped 5y ago

Perhaps. I rephrased it to be reflective that I would like the English officials to be treated like trash because, if you actually read the article, the treatment is inhumane. I have a lot of gripe with the English for how they treat other people, perhaps if they get a taste of their own medicine they may snap back to reality and forget the greatness that was their empire (obviously /s).

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
biggest issue in the UK unlike many other EU countries is how deeply polarized their media is. Very difficult to reason and bring the camps together which means the only way to get better is if it first gets worse. A complete shame considering the UK joined the EU because it was the sick man of Europe back in the 70ies and it was welcomed especially by other partners who felt it provided a much needed liberal balance to the power duality of France & Germany. We're all at a loss that they left IMO. As for vindication the people certainly deserve not what's coming and happening to them, the true villains sit in the news rooms pumping out racist and dividing shit calling itself "free media" but the truth is it's run by a bunch of oligarchs. Eat the rich and bring guillotines to these places so that the poor and brainwashed people who've been fed on a steady diet of divisive garbage and are the real victims in this sham won't get hurt. It's a really easy trolley problem this one. Sadly history shows that the trolley company is the one that tends to win.

silicon2401 5y ago

I agree. That comment is a sad but common result of people who seek vengeance under the facade of justice.