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Brutal and nasty are emotive terms. If someone has no lawful basis to be in a country, what is wrong with expecting them to leave?

bogle 5y ago
In the press articles the Home Office is quoted as saying, "suspected offences". A dawn raid is completely abhorrent for anything other than serious crimes. Note that Immigration Enforcement isn't even the police, this is a Home Office unit.
- throwaway8689 5y ago
  A dawn raid is designed to catch someone who is expected to try to evade arrest. Would you prefer a chase through the streets? Immigration Enforcement have power of arrest for this circumstance. The Information Commissioner has uniformed officers with limited police-type powers for their area of work too.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    "Power of arrest" for which circumstance, exactly? Someone visiting perfectly legally for an interview which may lead to a job offer? And I'd prefer no speculative high-drama arrests of people who are following the rules and not breaking the law.
    - mytailorisrich 5y ago
      Visiting for an interview means having a letter of invitation for an interview from a company, not this (from article): > María, 25, from Valencia, said that like many of those detained, she thought she was free to explore the job market at least until October This sounds like coming to the UK for work without a visa, in which case it is correct in law to be detained. I think the practice of detention for up to 7 days before being deported is a way to inflict a punishment to deter people trying. Indeed, if the only thing you risk if caught is being turned away at the airport then people would just try and try, why not? There are articles from sources a bit more balanced than The Guardian: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-citizens-detained-uk-work-visas-brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-citizens-detained-uk-work...
  - bogle 5y ago
    The Scottish Government has asked the Westminster government to stop dawn raids. You are, perhaps, through mis-placed authoritarianism, missing the bigger picture.
olodus 5y ago
The ways you are "expecting them to leave" is really interesting. Seems more like you hold them for random amount of time in detaintion centers. They are not given ability to contact their embassy for held getting out of the country. Some cases they say they could pay for a plane home again but got detained anyway. Furthermore the reason they are detained are rather undefined. It says that they can go to UK for interview for example, but they are still detained. They tried to enter legally but the rules does not seem to be followed. Some in the article were held for two days, which in my eyes are not a speedy return. This is waste of UK money and a bad system.

bogle 5y ago

In the press articles the Home Office is quoted as saying, "suspected offences". A dawn raid is completely abhorrent for anything other than serious crimes. Note that Immigration Enforcement isn't even the police, this is a Home Office unit.

throwaway8689 5y ago
A dawn raid is designed to catch someone who is expected to try to evade arrest. Would you prefer a chase through the streets? Immigration Enforcement have power of arrest for this circumstance. The Information Commissioner has uniformed officers with limited police-type powers for their area of work too.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  "Power of arrest" for which circumstance, exactly? Someone visiting perfectly legally for an interview which may lead to a job offer? And I'd prefer no speculative high-drama arrests of people who are following the rules and not breaking the law.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    Visiting for an interview means having a letter of invitation for an interview from a company, not this (from article): > María, 25, from Valencia, said that like many of those detained, she thought she was free to explore the job market at least until October This sounds like coming to the UK for work without a visa, in which case it is correct in law to be detained. I think the practice of detention for up to 7 days before being deported is a way to inflict a punishment to deter people trying. Indeed, if the only thing you risk if caught is being turned away at the airport then people would just try and try, why not? There are articles from sources a bit more balanced than The Guardian: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-citizens-detained-uk-work-visas-brexit/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-citizens-detained-uk-work...
- bogle 5y ago
  The Scottish Government has asked the Westminster government to stop dawn raids. You are, perhaps, through mis-placed authoritarianism, missing the bigger picture.

olodus 5y ago

The ways you are "expecting them to leave" is really interesting. Seems more like you hold them for random amount of time in detaintion centers. They are not given ability to contact their embassy for held getting out of the country. Some cases they say they could pay for a plane home again but got detained anyway. Furthermore the reason they are detained are rather undefined. It says that they can go to UK for interview for example, but they are still detained. They tried to enter legally but the rules does not seem to be followed. Some in the article were held for two days, which in my eyes are not a speedy return. This is waste of UK money and a bad system.