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I am generally against vindictiveness, but I am looking forward to English officials getting a horrific treatment for how their government treated or treats peo

I am generally against vindictiveness, but I am looking forward to English officials getting a horrific treatment for how their government treated or treats people. Sorry for all the Scots that are caught in the middle, we hope you find a way through and away from the torries. Finally, to the English, your politicians and your law enforcement deserve nothing less than cruelty for how they act. No apologies.

TheManInThePub 5y ago
> I am looking forward to the English getting the same treatment What a truly vile statement, unworthy of HN. Roughly half the English population (including myself) voted to remain. We are not gloating, but working hard to ensure cooperation with the EU continues..... ..... and no doubt, preparing for the next referendum to return to the EU in 10 years time (after all, a second independence referendum is now on the cards for Scotland, the precedent has been set).
- Veen 5y ago
  You can't expect anything better from Scottish nationalists. A very nasty bunch all round.
  - bogle 5y ago
    Pejorative comments about the Scottish do not cast you in a very good light.
    - Veen 5y ago
      First, it was a response to perjoritive comments about the English. Second, I made no perjoritive comments about the Scottish, just Scottish Nationalists. I know many excellent Scots.
  - PartiallyTyped 5y ago
    Not a Scottish, let alone a nationalist, I am just a person that thinks the English haven't suffered the consequences of their imperialism and need to get down of their high horse.
    - Veen 5y ago
      You appear to be ignorant of the history of the British Empire and the role the Scots played in it. One point worth mentioning: the motivation for the union between England and Scotland was that the Scottish had bankrupted themselves in their own attempts to form an empire (Google the Darien Scheme). The Scots were not conquered; they voluntarily joined the Union. The British Empire was not the English Empire, and the Scottish played as much of a role in its formation and administration as the English.
      - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
        The Darien Scheme failed because the English colonial establishment worked hard to sabotage it, because it competed with their own interests. English Nationalists like yourself are far more toxic than the Scots Nats. You're still trying to play the same spoiler games you were playing more than two hundred years ago.
        Veen 5y ago
        Aye, perfidious Albion is always to blame for Scotland's failures. And I'm not an English nationalist. I'm a Unionist.
        pjc50 5y ago
        Unionism is English nationalism, as currently structured.
        Veen 5y ago
        Do you believe then that the majority of Scots who voted against independence were, in fact, English nationalists?
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    I much prefer them to the Black and Tans. Scott's will be much better off being part of the EU. It'll be difficult for some businesses to adjust in the long term considering how strongly they're tied to the South economically. But the short term looks terrible anyway no matter what course they take. And the argument of independence becomes even stronger considering there is a) legal base for it and b) the South will anyway end up isolating itself so much from the rest of the world that the economic argument isn't much of a reward in contrast to EU membership (at least not in the long run)
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  Perhaps. I rephrased it to be reflective that I would like the English officials to be treated like trash because, if you actually read the article, the treatment is inhumane. I have a lot of gripe with the English for how they treat other people, perhaps if they get a taste of their own medicine they may snap back to reality and forget the greatness that was their empire (obviously /s).
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    biggest issue in the UK unlike many other EU countries is how deeply polarized their media is. Very difficult to reason and bring the camps together which means the only way to get better is if it first gets worse. A complete shame considering the UK joined the EU because it was the sick man of Europe back in the 70ies and it was welcomed especially by other partners who felt it provided a much needed liberal balance to the power duality of France & Germany. We're all at a loss that they left IMO. As for vindication the people certainly deserve not what's coming and happening to them, the true villains sit in the news rooms pumping out racist and dividing shit calling itself "free media" but the truth is it's run by a bunch of oligarchs. Eat the rich and bring guillotines to these places so that the poor and brainwashed people who've been fed on a steady diet of divisive garbage and are the real victims in this sham won't get hurt. It's a really easy trolley problem this one. Sadly history shows that the trolley company is the one that tends to win.
- silicon2401 5y ago
  I agree. That comment is a sad but common result of people who seek vengeance under the facade of justice.
Swinx43 5y ago
I really cant blame you for this. Please just keep in mind that, as mentioned in another post, the population is almost 50/50 split on this. It is not just the Scots that are caught in the middle. There is a large amount of English also opposed to this. A lot of us have spouses from EU countries and we watch in horror as people like Priti Patel turns the UK into her version of 1984. Chances are very high that those brits that travel to the EU, who might get this vindictive treatment, are not the ones that voted for Brexit.
dang 5y ago
Nationalistic flamewar is seriously not ok here, regardless of how right you are (or feel) or how wrong others are (or feel), and regardless of which $nation is or isn't the issue. Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. Your comment was fine up until the "but". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  It's not about nationalism, it's about human rights and proper behavior towards other people. If the UK can not behave themselves, I see no reason for them to not receive equal treatment, perhaps even sactions and mass deportation of their citizens. The EU, and all the members have a responsibility first and foremost to their constituents, and their constituents are getting thrown in jails, for no fault of their own, just the vindictiveness of the Brits. There is no flame war, I am literally asking for our Governments to take action.
  - dang 5y ago
    Sorry, but this is squarely in the middle of what counts as nationalistic flamewar. I don't mean you're arguing from a nationalistic political position. I just mean you're posting flamewar comments about nations. Please stop posting flamewar comments about anything on HN. We don't want that sort of discussion here. By flamewar I mean things like indignant provocation and denunciatory rhetoric (especially on divisive topics). You made numerous such posts in this thread—that's really bad, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. It goes against what we're trying to achieve here (thoughtful, curious conversation on intellectually interesting topics) and it does so by doing the equivalent of setting the commons on fire. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." From a quick look at your account history it seems that your comments have traditionally been excellent, so this should be pretty easy to fix.
    - 5y ago

TheManInThePub 5y ago

> I am looking forward to the English getting the same treatment What a truly vile statement, unworthy of HN. Roughly half the English population (including myself) voted to remain. We are not gloating, but working hard to ensure cooperation with the EU continues..... ..... and no doubt, preparing for the next referendum to return to the EU in 10 years time (after all, a second independence referendum is now on the cards for Scotland, the precedent has been set).

Veen 5y ago
You can't expect anything better from Scottish nationalists. A very nasty bunch all round.
- bogle 5y ago
  Pejorative comments about the Scottish do not cast you in a very good light.
  - Veen 5y ago
    First, it was a response to perjoritive comments about the English. Second, I made no perjoritive comments about the Scottish, just Scottish Nationalists. I know many excellent Scots.
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  Not a Scottish, let alone a nationalist, I am just a person that thinks the English haven't suffered the consequences of their imperialism and need to get down of their high horse.
  - Veen 5y ago
    You appear to be ignorant of the history of the British Empire and the role the Scots played in it. One point worth mentioning: the motivation for the union between England and Scotland was that the Scottish had bankrupted themselves in their own attempts to form an empire (Google the Darien Scheme). The Scots were not conquered; they voluntarily joined the Union. The British Empire was not the English Empire, and the Scottish played as much of a role in its formation and administration as the English.
    - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
      The Darien Scheme failed because the English colonial establishment worked hard to sabotage it, because it competed with their own interests. English Nationalists like yourself are far more toxic than the Scots Nats. You're still trying to play the same spoiler games you were playing more than two hundred years ago.
      - Veen 5y ago
        Aye, perfidious Albion is always to blame for Scotland's failures. And I'm not an English nationalist. I'm a Unionist.
        pjc50 5y ago
        Unionism is English nationalism, as currently structured.
        Veen 5y ago
        Do you believe then that the majority of Scots who voted against independence were, in fact, English nationalists?
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  I much prefer them to the Black and Tans. Scott's will be much better off being part of the EU. It'll be difficult for some businesses to adjust in the long term considering how strongly they're tied to the South economically. But the short term looks terrible anyway no matter what course they take. And the argument of independence becomes even stronger considering there is a) legal base for it and b) the South will anyway end up isolating itself so much from the rest of the world that the economic argument isn't much of a reward in contrast to EU membership (at least not in the long run)
PartiallyTyped 5y ago
Perhaps. I rephrased it to be reflective that I would like the English officials to be treated like trash because, if you actually read the article, the treatment is inhumane. I have a lot of gripe with the English for how they treat other people, perhaps if they get a taste of their own medicine they may snap back to reality and forget the greatness that was their empire (obviously /s).
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  biggest issue in the UK unlike many other EU countries is how deeply polarized their media is. Very difficult to reason and bring the camps together which means the only way to get better is if it first gets worse. A complete shame considering the UK joined the EU because it was the sick man of Europe back in the 70ies and it was welcomed especially by other partners who felt it provided a much needed liberal balance to the power duality of France & Germany. We're all at a loss that they left IMO. As for vindication the people certainly deserve not what's coming and happening to them, the true villains sit in the news rooms pumping out racist and dividing shit calling itself "free media" but the truth is it's run by a bunch of oligarchs. Eat the rich and bring guillotines to these places so that the poor and brainwashed people who've been fed on a steady diet of divisive garbage and are the real victims in this sham won't get hurt. It's a really easy trolley problem this one. Sadly history shows that the trolley company is the one that tends to win.
silicon2401 5y ago
I agree. That comment is a sad but common result of people who seek vengeance under the facade of justice.

Swinx43 5y ago

I really cant blame you for this. Please just keep in mind that, as mentioned in another post, the population is almost 50/50 split on this. It is not just the Scots that are caught in the middle. There is a large amount of English also opposed to this. A lot of us have spouses from EU countries and we watch in horror as people like Priti Patel turns the UK into her version of 1984. Chances are very high that those brits that travel to the EU, who might get this vindictive treatment, are not the ones that voted for Brexit.

dang 5y ago

Nationalistic flamewar is seriously not ok here, regardless of how right you are (or feel) or how wrong others are (or feel), and regardless of which $nation is or isn't the issue. Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. Your comment was fine up until the "but". https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

PartiallyTyped 5y ago
It's not about nationalism, it's about human rights and proper behavior towards other people. If the UK can not behave themselves, I see no reason for them to not receive equal treatment, perhaps even sactions and mass deportation of their citizens. The EU, and all the members have a responsibility first and foremost to their constituents, and their constituents are getting thrown in jails, for no fault of their own, just the vindictiveness of the Brits. There is no flame war, I am literally asking for our Governments to take action.
- dang 5y ago
  Sorry, but this is squarely in the middle of what counts as nationalistic flamewar. I don't mean you're arguing from a nationalistic political position. I just mean you're posting flamewar comments about nations. Please stop posting flamewar comments about anything on HN. We don't want that sort of discussion here. By flamewar I mean things like indignant provocation and denunciatory rhetoric (especially on divisive topics). You made numerous such posts in this thread—that's really bad, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. It goes against what we're trying to achieve here (thoughtful, curious conversation on intellectually interesting topics) and it does so by doing the equivalent of setting the commons on fire. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it. Note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." From a quick look at your account history it seems that your comments have traditionally been excellent, so this should be pretty easy to fix.
  - 5y ago