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I STRONGLY recommend optimizing for the average non technical user and mass adoption. Basically, copy Slack’s visual design as much as you can while retaining w

I STRONGLY recommend optimizing for the average non technical user and mass adoption. Basically, copy Slack’s visual design as much as you can while retaining what makes Zulip great. Branding and visual design matters. Far more than most folks think.

tabbott 5y ago
> I STRONGLY recommend optimizing for the average non technical user and mass adoption. I agree with that, and I hope my comment above didn't mean to sound dismissive of concerns about visual design! Visual work to mean these workarounds are not required is one of our main priorities for the next few months, and I mentioned the above mainly because many folks have found them helpful when using the Zulip that exists today. (As a sidenote, we have an open position for a designer).
jacobolus 5y ago
> Basically, copy Slack’s visual design as much as you can There are a ton of unpleasant / user hostile features of Slack’s visual design. It is full of stuff blinking, flashing, popping in and out of view, etc. Trying to chat feels like having a conversation in the middle of a casino. So please don’t do this.
- wikibob 5y ago
  And yet the average non tech user took to it like a fish to water compared to all alternatives that came before it.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Please do this - I deployed slack in a business environment - staff love it. Trying to get them to use alternatives with what they call "weird" interfaces is a no go. Slack nailed it - and adoption numbers are proving that out over and over. I got complaints even on teams font size being too small! Don't underestimate these issues.
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- spicybright 5y ago
  Really? I honestly have no idea what you're referring too, as someone that uses slack at a full time remote job. Nothing blinks or flashes as far as I'm aware. Just the UI changing when other people interact with the server. Like emoji reactions pop in if someone adds one. Or left side bar highlighting things if there's new messages in them, etc. Things pretty much any other chat-like application does.

tabbott 5y ago

> I STRONGLY recommend optimizing for the average non technical user and mass adoption. I agree with that, and I hope my comment above didn't mean to sound dismissive of concerns about visual design! Visual work to mean these workarounds are not required is one of our main priorities for the next few months, and I mentioned the above mainly because many folks have found them helpful when using the Zulip that exists today. (As a sidenote, we have an open position for a designer).

jacobolus 5y ago

> Basically, copy Slack’s visual design as much as you can There are a ton of unpleasant / user hostile features of Slack’s visual design. It is full of stuff blinking, flashing, popping in and out of view, etc. Trying to chat feels like having a conversation in the middle of a casino. So please don’t do this.

wikibob 5y ago
And yet the average non tech user took to it like a fish to water compared to all alternatives that came before it.
whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Please do this - I deployed slack in a business environment - staff love it. Trying to get them to use alternatives with what they call "weird" interfaces is a no go. Slack nailed it - and adoption numbers are proving that out over and over. I got complaints even on teams font size being too small! Don't underestimate these issues.
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spicybright 5y ago
Really? I honestly have no idea what you're referring too, as someone that uses slack at a full time remote job. Nothing blinks or flashes as far as I'm aware. Just the UI changing when other people interact with the server. Like emoji reactions pop in if someone adds one. Or left side bar highlighting things if there's new messages in them, etc. Things pretty much any other chat-like application does.