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The CDC is not recommending that all establishments allow people without masks though, it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. If the

by cochne 5y ago

The CDC is not recommending that all establishments allow people without masks though, it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. If there is no way to guarantee that all are vaccinated, then this does not translate into a recommendation to drop a mask requirement. Consider a parallel. the CDC might say if an HIV+ person is taking some treatment, it is safe to have sexual relations with them. But if you do not trust the person you are with, your own personal policy would probably not be to have unprotected sex.

daenz 5y ago
>it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. Right, but like the previous poster said, we have no way of verifying. Maybe people do, but I don't think everyone carries their vaccination card with them, so how are establishments going to verify? They'll probably ask, and accept the answer. And as people are starting to point out, the unvaccinated will just lie. My point is that the CDC must have played this same thought experiment, but they are issuing these guidelines regardless.
- zuminator 5y ago
  Instead of businesses having to verify, it would make more sense for the county or municipality to establish a policy based upon the prevailing positivity rate. If there's a low level of infection in the community, indoor masks are at the wearer's discretion, if there's a high level, indoor masks are mandatory. This would also establish a causal link between a getting vaccinated and helping to keep the community open.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Your suggestion is contrary to the CDC's guidance. It doesn't say that it's only safe for vaccinated people to stop wearing masks if the prevailing positivity rate is low.
    - zuminator 5y ago
      The CDC guidelines are for individuals. As fully vaccinated individuals, you and I are safe to not wear a mask outdoors and indoors. But safe to go maskless indoors is not the same thing as free to go maskless indoors. That is up to the prevailing jurisdictional policy. As the CDC itself states, "[F]ully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance." So the problem still exists of what communities will do, if anything, to protect their citizens, both those who are vaccinated and those who are not? One response to that is to just let people do what they want and let the chips fall as they may. Another response is for communities to be proactive iff there is a local outbreak, with the aim of preventing it from getting even worse. The option of leaving it up to businesses to individually decide to protect their customers or not seems untenable. A business will be just be asking for trouble to take it upon itself to verify which customers have been vaccinated or not.
    - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
      There is no way for a business to determine if someone is vaccinated or not when enforcing whether people wear masks or not.
dboreham 5y ago
I read their release carefully. They didn't say that. They said that an individual if vaccinated does not need to mask. They said nothing about everyone in a space needing to be vaccinated in order for anyone to not mask.

by cochne 5y ago

daenz 5y ago

>it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. Right, but like the previous poster said, we have no way of verifying. Maybe people do, but I don't think everyone carries their vaccination card with them, so how are establishments going to verify? They'll probably ask, and accept the answer. And as people are starting to point out, the unvaccinated will just lie. My point is that the CDC must have played this same thought experiment, but they are issuing these guidelines regardless.

zuminator 5y ago
Instead of businesses having to verify, it would make more sense for the county or municipality to establish a policy based upon the prevailing positivity rate. If there's a low level of infection in the community, indoor masks are at the wearer's discretion, if there's a high level, indoor masks are mandatory. This would also establish a causal link between a getting vaccinated and helping to keep the community open.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Your suggestion is contrary to the CDC's guidance. It doesn't say that it's only safe for vaccinated people to stop wearing masks if the prevailing positivity rate is low.
  - zuminator 5y ago
    The CDC guidelines are for individuals. As fully vaccinated individuals, you and I are safe to not wear a mask outdoors and indoors. But safe to go maskless indoors is not the same thing as free to go maskless indoors. That is up to the prevailing jurisdictional policy. As the CDC itself states, "[F]ully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance." So the problem still exists of what communities will do, if anything, to protect their citizens, both those who are vaccinated and those who are not? One response to that is to just let people do what they want and let the chips fall as they may. Another response is for communities to be proactive iff there is a local outbreak, with the aim of preventing it from getting even worse. The option of leaving it up to businesses to individually decide to protect their customers or not seems untenable. A business will be just be asking for trouble to take it upon itself to verify which customers have been vaccinated or not.
  - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
    There is no way for a business to determine if someone is vaccinated or not when enforcing whether people wear masks or not.

dboreham 5y ago

I read their release carefully. They didn't say that. They said that an individual if vaccinated does not need to mask. They said nothing about everyone in a space needing to be vaccinated in order for anyone to not mask.