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Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they ne

Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they need to get re-elected and cave to pressure. It will happen, especially with this new guidance from the CDC. I would bet there are no state wide mask mandates by Jan 1, 2022. Edit: Minnesota will be ending their mask mandate tomorrow.

vmception 5y ago
I cant wait for the businesses that demand masks to be disconnected from the ability to operate by market pressures Most brick and mortar was barely viable during the best market in history so all we gotta do is wait! And also not go to them lol have fun with that gofundme
- dguaraglia 5y ago
  So you are salivating at the idea that businesses that cared for their employees' safety go under just because you disagree with them politically. Very nice.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Disagreed politically? I’m talking about major markets like California opening up, not whatever happens already in Georgia or Florida. So I think these more risk averse jurisdictions will also have a few businesses that try to maintain independent restrictions without support from the state, and I think they will have lost tolerance from their entire population or market base by then (a few weeks from now). This is not political, as the Federal government and the state government will be of the same political leaning. Nice try though.
    - kelnos 5y ago
      I think the parent's main objection is that you seem to be showing glee at the prospect of a business failing because it shows an overabundance of caution even after the state no longer requires it. That's... kinda petty, no? Especially when wearing a mask inside a store or whatever isn't a particularly difficult thing to do.
      - sokoloff 5y ago
        I’m fine with a business underperforming when it’s due to an over-abundance of any type of decision making. Too large salaries, expand too quickly, charge too much, charge too little, ask too much of customers, whatever it is, I hope businesses which make better decisions do better.
      - scrollaway 5y ago
        Not parent but although i disagree with them, i kinda get where they're coming from. Some businesses give in to security theater and it is immensely frustrating. For example here in Belgium some shops force you to take a trolley even if you just want to buy a single item and have your own bag. They do this "because COVID". So what happens? A pile up of people at the entrance trying to move caddies over, leading to far more risk there than there otherwise would be if you left people to their own device. Our swimming pools are open, but they closed the showers "because COVID". So what happens? People are gross, get in the water right away, don't soap up or whatever, and it's far less clean/healthy than it would be for no good reason. Overabundance of caution is not always a good excuse.
        dguaraglia 5y ago
        I have no idea what happens in Belgium, but nothing like that happens here in the US. They barely ask people to wear a goddamn mask, and they are all up in arms about it.
        mensetmanusman 5y ago
        Have witnessed Chipotle’s staff scream at a construction worker because he was using a tshirt as a face covering. “That’s not approved!! Get out of here!” Different things are happening
        dguaraglia 5y ago
        So, nothing like Belgium then, and exactly what I described: people being asked to wear a mask and not doing it. I don’t know the circumstances of the situation you mention, but it hardly qualifies as security theatre. Also, I doubt they screamed ‘not approved’ but I guess no anti-mask narrative sounds dire enough without a little exaggeration.
dnautics 5y ago
I'll be surprised if there are any state wide mandates on July 31

vmception 5y ago

I cant wait for the businesses that demand masks to be disconnected from the ability to operate by market pressures Most brick and mortar was barely viable during the best market in history so all we gotta do is wait! And also not go to them lol have fun with that gofundme

dguaraglia 5y ago
So you are salivating at the idea that businesses that cared for their employees' safety go under just because you disagree with them politically. Very nice.
- vmception 5y ago
  Disagreed politically? I’m talking about major markets like California opening up, not whatever happens already in Georgia or Florida. So I think these more risk averse jurisdictions will also have a few businesses that try to maintain independent restrictions without support from the state, and I think they will have lost tolerance from their entire population or market base by then (a few weeks from now). This is not political, as the Federal government and the state government will be of the same political leaning. Nice try though.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    I think the parent's main objection is that you seem to be showing glee at the prospect of a business failing because it shows an overabundance of caution even after the state no longer requires it. That's... kinda petty, no? Especially when wearing a mask inside a store or whatever isn't a particularly difficult thing to do.
    - sokoloff 5y ago
      I’m fine with a business underperforming when it’s due to an over-abundance of any type of decision making. Too large salaries, expand too quickly, charge too much, charge too little, ask too much of customers, whatever it is, I hope businesses which make better decisions do better.
    - scrollaway 5y ago
      Not parent but although i disagree with them, i kinda get where they're coming from. Some businesses give in to security theater and it is immensely frustrating. For example here in Belgium some shops force you to take a trolley even if you just want to buy a single item and have your own bag. They do this "because COVID". So what happens? A pile up of people at the entrance trying to move caddies over, leading to far more risk there than there otherwise would be if you left people to their own device. Our swimming pools are open, but they closed the showers "because COVID". So what happens? People are gross, get in the water right away, don't soap up or whatever, and it's far less clean/healthy than it would be for no good reason. Overabundance of caution is not always a good excuse.
      - dguaraglia 5y ago
        I have no idea what happens in Belgium, but nothing like that happens here in the US. They barely ask people to wear a goddamn mask, and they are all up in arms about it.
        mensetmanusman 5y ago
        Have witnessed Chipotle’s staff scream at a construction worker because he was using a tshirt as a face covering. “That’s not approved!! Get out of here!” Different things are happening
        dguaraglia 5y ago
        So, nothing like Belgium then, and exactly what I described: people being asked to wear a mask and not doing it. I don’t know the circumstances of the situation you mention, but it hardly qualifies as security theatre. Also, I doubt they screamed ‘not approved’ but I guess no anti-mask narrative sounds dire enough without a little exaggeration.

dnautics 5y ago

I'll be surprised if there are any state wide mandates on July 31