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I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How d

I don't know if anywhere in the United States enforces mask wearing with some kind of law - but assuming they do, doesn't this severely complicate things? How do you tell quickly and easily if someone not wearing a mask is vaccinated or not? Where I am, there is an app I can use to display my vaccine records - and I believe they are working on an even more 'convenient' version that shows something similar to a red or green QR code - but this has obvious downsides and potential future repercussions. Even with this, they are hesitant to say "It's ok to take your masks off in public now" as it'll be so difficult to enforce.

shados 5y ago
Yup. A lot of the rules were made in this awkward middle ground between health organizations' recommendations, politics, and need to be enforceable (the later made worse because the ADA in the US makes it really hard to enforce anything since you can always just say "lol health issues!" and no one's allowed to check). People have been constantly trying to "reason" behind certain rules. "Why do I have to X if Y is allowed, it makes no sense!" when most of the time it's purely so its possible to enforce something. In this case as states adopt this recommendation, you can essentially assume any kind of mask rule is null and void and it's now just a suggestion, because it's now completely impossible to enforce anything. Fortunately vaccines are readily available in the US now, and while not perfect for people who can't take it, their risk should be much, much lower (unless they're in Florida, in which case, I feel for them).
Negitivefrags 5y ago
If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself. If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?
- lvturner 5y ago
  _I_ don't need to know it, but my friend who can't take the vaccine as she is pregnant might wish to use the information to make risk assessments. Further: it is literally illegal not to wear a mask here in certain public areas - I'm specifically interested in how one would enforce that if you split between those who have to wear masks and those who now don't have to.
  - Exmoor 5y ago
    Also until literally today nobody under 16 could get vaccinated and we're still several months away from vaccines possibly being approved for children. Studies show kids are less likely to catch and spread it, and when they do catch it they have less averse impacts than adults, but I'd still prefer if my kids don't catch it.
  - matthewbauer 5y ago
    Supposedly, pregnant women can get the vaccine. In fact, it’s recommended due to risk of certain complications with getting covid-19 while pregnant.
  - rsfern 5y ago
    FYI it’s probably low risk for pregnant women to take the mRNA vaccines. If your friend wants to be vaccinated but is uncomfortable maybe they can specifically ask their GP about it? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommend...
- wyldfire 5y ago
  > If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I care -- in that, I'd prefer for their sake and for everyone else's that they were vaccinated. The vaccine's not perfect. However, for the purposes of wearing masks or not: I don't care. Let's take them off and hope that the unvaccinated make the right choice of keeping the mask on. I imagine that very nearly zero will, but in the baseline case I didn't know who wasn't vaccinated against yet-more-serious infectious diseases. So this will be returning to the level of nonzero risk that we were before. We engage in risky activities all the time without blinking, let's please all treat this risk with the appropriate relative weight. If you have energy to fight the good fight, become a positive role model for vaccination. Don't mock or ridicule the antivaxxers or vaccine-hesitant. Just show them the right path.
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NoblePublius 5y ago
Sounds like Nazi Germany

shados 5y ago

Yup. A lot of the rules were made in this awkward middle ground between health organizations' recommendations, politics, and need to be enforceable (the later made worse because the ADA in the US makes it really hard to enforce anything since you can always just say "lol health issues!" and no one's allowed to check). People have been constantly trying to "reason" behind certain rules. "Why do I have to X if Y is allowed, it makes no sense!" when most of the time it's purely so its possible to enforce something. In this case as states adopt this recommendation, you can essentially assume any kind of mask rule is null and void and it's now just a suggestion, because it's now completely impossible to enforce anything. Fortunately vaccines are readily available in the US now, and while not perfect for people who can't take it, their risk should be much, much lower (unless they're in Florida, in which case, I feel for them).

Negitivefrags 5y ago

If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I mean sure, there is a small chance someone could infect you, and a much much smaller chance that than infection actually causes you a hospitalisation, but it’s not a big risk once you are vaccinated yourself. If you think the vaccine works, which I assume you do, then why do you need to know others vaccine status?

lvturner 5y ago
_I_ don't need to know it, but my friend who can't take the vaccine as she is pregnant might wish to use the information to make risk assessments. Further: it is literally illegal not to wear a mask here in certain public areas - I'm specifically interested in how one would enforce that if you split between those who have to wear masks and those who now don't have to.
- Exmoor 5y ago
  Also until literally today nobody under 16 could get vaccinated and we're still several months away from vaccines possibly being approved for children. Studies show kids are less likely to catch and spread it, and when they do catch it they have less averse impacts than adults, but I'd still prefer if my kids don't catch it.
- matthewbauer 5y ago
  Supposedly, pregnant women can get the vaccine. In fact, it’s recommended due to risk of certain complications with getting covid-19 while pregnant.
- rsfern 5y ago
  FYI it’s probably low risk for pregnant women to take the mRNA vaccines. If your friend wants to be vaccinated but is uncomfortable maybe they can specifically ask their GP about it? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommend...
wyldfire 5y ago
> If you are vaccinated, why do you care if others are or not? I care -- in that, I'd prefer for their sake and for everyone else's that they were vaccinated. The vaccine's not perfect. However, for the purposes of wearing masks or not: I don't care. Let's take them off and hope that the unvaccinated make the right choice of keeping the mask on. I imagine that very nearly zero will, but in the baseline case I didn't know who wasn't vaccinated against yet-more-serious infectious diseases. So this will be returning to the level of nonzero risk that we were before. We engage in risky activities all the time without blinking, let's please all treat this risk with the appropriate relative weight. If you have energy to fight the good fight, become a positive role model for vaccination. Don't mock or ridicule the antivaxxers or vaccine-hesitant. Just show them the right path.

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NoblePublius 5y ago

Sounds like Nazi Germany