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I look at: https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/legal/tos https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/legal/tos and it immediately makes me concerned that anything written in t

by trotsky 15y ago

I look at: https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/legal/tos https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/legal/tos and it immediately makes me concerned that anything written in the service that was later deemed exceptionally valuable would get lawyer locked. I don't have the same concerns with gcc, eclipse, visual studio. I don't see anything that's there to assuage my fears? I'm not saying that's what's going on in the least, but it's a reasonable fear, no? Or am I off base? Furthermore, by creating an Application through use of the Service, you give CoderBuddy a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such Application for the sole purpose of enabling CoderBuddy to provide you with the Service in accordance with its privacy policy. Some lawyer really went over that, you make me feel like I need one too.

kbutler 15y ago
> for the sole purpose of enabling CoderBuddy to provide you with the Service IANAL, but that's a pretty strong qualifier: "the sole purpose" basically says they can only use your app for, well, the sole purpose of providing you with the service.
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adrianscott 15y ago
Thanks for sharing your concerns, and I understand where you're coming from. I encourage you to check out the TOS's for Google App Engine and Heroku and other cloud-hosting services, which have similar wording, as I understand it. If you have suggestions on better wording that meets the needs of what we need to be able to do to provide the service etc., we welcome suggestions on that. Thanks.
- trotsky 15y ago
  I understand what you mean, most legalese can seem quite imposing out of context. The nut of the problem for me is that it's obvious you're intending a profit making venture (tos, etc.) but you aren't telegraphing where the money comes from. With heroku, etc. it's clear what their intent would be (paid hosting) even when embryonic or unstated. As many IDE's are free without service terms if your intent is to sell SaaS, perhaps a "beta testers get free (blip) when we launch" - or whatever. That at least would keep me from worrying on the monster behind the curtain.
  - adrianscott 15y ago
    thanks, we put a bit on that here: https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/help https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/help If CoderBuddy is free, how will you make money to pay the bills? Our goal is to keep providing our current services for free, and expand those free services. We expect to earn revenues from advertising and from helping software developers earn money for their work. We may also charge fees to a tiny percentage of heavy users of disk/bandwidth/cpu to cover costs, but those should only apply after usage of a generous free quota.

by trotsky 15y ago

kbutler 15y ago

> for the sole purpose of enabling CoderBuddy to provide you with the Service IANAL, but that's a pretty strong qualifier: "the sole purpose" basically says they can only use your app for, well, the sole purpose of providing you with the service.

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adrianscott 15y ago

Thanks for sharing your concerns, and I understand where you're coming from. I encourage you to check out the TOS's for Google App Engine and Heroku and other cloud-hosting services, which have similar wording, as I understand it. If you have suggestions on better wording that meets the needs of what we need to be able to do to provide the service etc., we welcome suggestions on that. Thanks.

trotsky 15y ago
I understand what you mean, most legalese can seem quite imposing out of context. The nut of the problem for me is that it's obvious you're intending a profit making venture (tos, etc.) but you aren't telegraphing where the money comes from. With heroku, etc. it's clear what their intent would be (paid hosting) even when embryonic or unstated. As many IDE's are free without service terms if your intent is to sell SaaS, perhaps a "beta testers get free (blip) when we launch" - or whatever. That at least would keep me from worrying on the monster behind the curtain.
- adrianscott 15y ago
  thanks, we put a bit on that here: https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/help https://coderbuddy1.appspot.com/help If CoderBuddy is free, how will you make money to pay the bills? Our goal is to keep providing our current services for free, and expand those free services. We expect to earn revenues from advertising and from helping software developers earn money for their work. We may also charge fees to a tiny percentage of heavy users of disk/bandwidth/cpu to cover costs, but those should only apply after usage of a generous free quota.