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Because Microsoft products aren't "cool" (and some come with all kinds of EULAs that FOSS doesn't). Personally, I would never even consider running a Windows se

Because Microsoft products aren't "cool" (and some come with all kinds of EULAs that FOSS doesn't). Personally, I would never even consider running a Windows server.

vlad_karukes 5y ago
Makes sense. On the other hand, WCF was hands down one of the best and reliable frameworks out there. And if no startups are using Microsoft, how do they plan to survive in the future? Eventually enterprises will evolve as well, so they probably need to become "cool" again.
- verdverm 5y ago
  Why is .NET required for survival? There seem to be many large companies that have enterprise clients and yet have no .NET code... The reason is most likely that software is rarely delivered by installable binary. SaaS over the network as popularized by Salesforce is the prevailing method now. Makes it so much easier to deliver updated code. I also suspect WASM to become more widely used than .NET at startups and more generally in web based applications.
- aristofun 5y ago
  When people say something from MS is “the best and reliable” it can only mean 2 things: they are MS sales people or they just didn’t know any better yet.
  - marto1 5y ago
    Hey, I'm on board with wiping out Microsoft as the next guy, but you might be giving them too much crap here. I believe OP actually meant the development platform is very stable and keeps you productive and helps you deliver products, which is what startups should be about. Which from what I've seen is mostly true especially compared to something like JS frameworks. That said, I still believe the ridiculous levels of vendor lock-in are not worth it.
    - aristofun 5y ago
      Of course im being sarcastic. They do have great products from time to time. But really who in clear mind would prefer to become a slave of MS ecosystem in webdev area in 21 century? Only people who doesn’t know how to work with other platforms (or who got fooled by marketing/sales).
      - ptpkueqf 5y ago
        > who in clear mind would prefer to become a slave of MS ecosystem in webdev area in 21 century? What's wrong with using .NET Core, which is open source and cross platform. Can't I create a ASP.NET Core application with Angular for front-end and deploy it in AWS as a Docker container. You are not necessarily becoming too dependent on the MS ecosystem.
Avalaxy 5y ago
You don't need Windows Server to run .NET.
- moooo99 5y ago
  Traditionally (ASP) .NET was tightly integrated with the Microsoft stack of Windows Server, IIS and MSSQL. I'm not sure if this was really a must, but from what colleagues told me it was a huge PITA if you didn't use those solutions. This has changed since with the arrival of (ASP) .NET core which is cross platform and a very open framework. But with many well established Node.js/RoR/Java solutions in startups and enterprises alike, I believe it'll need some time to gain traction.

Because Microsoft products aren't "cool" (and some come with all kinds of EULAs that FOSS doesn't). Personally, I would never even consider running a Windows server.

vlad_karukes 5y ago

Makes sense. On the other hand, WCF was hands down one of the best and reliable frameworks out there. And if no startups are using Microsoft, how do they plan to survive in the future? Eventually enterprises will evolve as well, so they probably need to become "cool" again.

verdverm 5y ago
Why is .NET required for survival? There seem to be many large companies that have enterprise clients and yet have no .NET code... The reason is most likely that software is rarely delivered by installable binary. SaaS over the network as popularized by Salesforce is the prevailing method now. Makes it so much easier to deliver updated code. I also suspect WASM to become more widely used than .NET at startups and more generally in web based applications.
aristofun 5y ago
When people say something from MS is “the best and reliable” it can only mean 2 things: they are MS sales people or they just didn’t know any better yet.
- marto1 5y ago
  Hey, I'm on board with wiping out Microsoft as the next guy, but you might be giving them too much crap here. I believe OP actually meant the development platform is very stable and keeps you productive and helps you deliver products, which is what startups should be about. Which from what I've seen is mostly true especially compared to something like JS frameworks. That said, I still believe the ridiculous levels of vendor lock-in are not worth it.
  - aristofun 5y ago
    Of course im being sarcastic. They do have great products from time to time. But really who in clear mind would prefer to become a slave of MS ecosystem in webdev area in 21 century? Only people who doesn’t know how to work with other platforms (or who got fooled by marketing/sales).
    - ptpkueqf 5y ago
      > who in clear mind would prefer to become a slave of MS ecosystem in webdev area in 21 century? What's wrong with using .NET Core, which is open source and cross platform. Can't I create a ASP.NET Core application with Angular for front-end and deploy it in AWS as a Docker container. You are not necessarily becoming too dependent on the MS ecosystem.

Avalaxy 5y ago

You don't need Windows Server to run .NET.

moooo99 5y ago
Traditionally (ASP) .NET was tightly integrated with the Microsoft stack of Windows Server, IIS and MSSQL. I'm not sure if this was really a must, but from what colleagues told me it was a huge PITA if you didn't use those solutions. This has changed since with the arrival of (ASP) .NET core which is cross platform and a very open framework. But with many well established Node.js/RoR/Java solutions in startups and enterprises alike, I believe it'll need some time to gain traction.