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Tesla would have been dead if he had not brought the Fremont factory back online. I give him credit for this, as I think ignoring the “rules” was one of the sma
by akouri 5y ago
Tesla would have been dead if he had not brought the Fremont factory back online. I give him credit for this, as I think ignoring the “rules” was one of the smartest business moves ever made in 2020.
- martimarkov 5y agoWould you think the same way if it was your life on the line? Not livelihood. Live. I think when evaluating situations compassion for people's lives is a more important matter than economical wellbeing. (Even if it's their wellbeing)
- logicchains 5y agoMost of his workers were in an age group at negligible risk from covid; they'd be more likely to die in a road accident driving home.
- logicchains 5y agoWow, people here really hate statistics. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1/tables/3 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1... ; if you're aged under 34 (as are the majority of tech workers), in the USA you're almost ten times more likely to die from "other acccidental fatalities" (0.0032) than covid if you catch it (0.004). Note that to assess risk the covid IFR there should be multiplied by the chance of catching it, to make it more comparable with the other columns, so if the chance of catching covid is less than 50%, then overall you're also more likely to die in a traffic accident.
- logicchains 5y agoWhat's wrong downvoters, salty that you've been manipulated by the media to vastly overestimate the risk of covid for your age group? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shootings-kamala-harris-tax-deadline-2021.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shooting...
- _vertigo 5y agoThe risk of Covid has never been the individualized risk. It's the collective risk of what happens when hospitals and ICUs reach capacity when too many people catch Covid at once. For example, what is happening in India. This was widely known in the US on the first week of March in 2020. When hospitals reach capacity, people in their 40s and 50s become much more likely to die from Covid. Lots of preventable loss of life is going to occur, from Covid and from everything else that can't be attended to because the hospitals are full. The point of lockdowns is not to reduce the individual risk. It's to reduce the collective risk of getting hit by a runaway train that completely overwhelms our health systems.
- logicchains 5y ago>For example, what is happening in India. What is happening in India? The death rate per capita there is still way less than in the US or UK. How come the death rate in Florida is less than that in California and New York, in spite of no lockdowns and an older population in Florida? There's no statistical evidence that countries with stricter lockdowns had a lower death rate than those without.
- ShroudedNight 5y agoThe signals I'm seeing from India strongly suggest that their death rate is massively under-reported. http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess...
- garyfirestorm 5y agoDeath rate per capita I think is a misleading way to look at it. If covid wipes half of my say 10 ppl family and half of someone else’s say 4 ppl family, I lose 5 ppl and they lose 2 ppl. Per capita rate is fine for statisticians after the fact. But during the pandemic you can’t tell me we lost same ppl per capita. Obviously I lost much more (hypothetically)
- _vertigo 5y ago
- ipaddr 5y agoYou are making a strong point for further lockdowns. Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown.
- logicchains 5y ago>Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown. What's the point of being alive if you can't live life? Fine if you choose that for yourself, but you're a monster if you'd dare to assume you have the right to confine everybody else to such a miserable existence. Marx has a great quote along those lines: "The human body is mortal by nature. Hence illnesses are inevitable. Why does a man only go to the doctor when he is ill, and not when he is well? Because not only the illness, but even the doctor is an evil. Under constant medical tutelage, life would be regarded as an evil and the human body as an object for treatment by medical institutions. Is not death more desirable than life that is a mere preventive measure against death? Does not life involve also free movement? What is any illness except life that is hampered in its freedom? A perpetual physician would be an illness in which one would not even have the prospect of dying, but only of living. Let life die; death must not live. Has not the spirit more right than the body?"
- DonHopkins 5y agoIt's a good thing not everyone has such disregard and lack of empathy for their fellow humans. I'm guessing you're Libertarian, not Communist, right?
- logicchains 5y agoIt's good that not everybody has such flagrant disregard for human rights; I'm guessing you're a Democrat?
- toomanybeersies 5y agoHow many of those workers have friends and/or relatives who are part of a vulnerable demographic?
- logicchains 5y agoNobody's forcing them to associate with vulnerable friends or relatives. And it's not like they don't have a choice; tech workers aren't exactly poor.
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- austhrow743 5y agoWhat do tech workers have to do with a car factory?
- logicchains 5y agoWorkers at a Tesla factory are high-skilled and highly paid, it's not some third-world sweatshop.
- DonHopkins 5y agoOR driving to the funerals of their parents, grandparents, friends, neighbors, and other loved ones and acquaintances who they infected with COVID-19.
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- DonHopkins 5y agoI've got some bad news for you: Tesla died in 1943. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Death
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoIf Tesla died, the major automakers would probably abandon EVs. Does the industrial effort to decarbonize our economy really matter? Is it urgent? Is it essential?