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And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law. I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if som
by pkulak 5y ago
And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law.
I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if someone is dumb or evil, you have to stop. It's impossible to figure out which (or what mix) it actually is.
- fastball 5y agoI'm fairly certain it was not in violation of "the law", but rather in violation of edicts from unelected officials.
- wffurr 5y ago"The law" gives public health officials authority to issue those "edicts". Try taking them to court and see how far that gets you. Hint: not very.
- fastball 5y agoWell, given how nobody was prosecuted, taking it to court seems unnecessary, which was my point.
- martimarkov 5y agoNot being prosecuted is not the same as not guilty.
- wffurr 5y agoIf that was your point, you did a poor job of making it.
- logicchains 5y agoSome people seem to have done pretty well in court bringing a case against unconstitutional edicts: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/10/986010977/supreme-court-rules-for-worshippers-and-against-california-covid-restrictions https://www.npr.org/2021/04/10/986010977/supreme-court-rules...
- wffurr 5y agoRestricting religion and regulating a factory are pretty different. The first runs directly afoul of the constitution, while the second is clearly within the purview of regulators and public health officials. I was thinking of Jacobson v Massachusetts in my original comment, which upheld state and local governments' broad authority in public health. Here's a balanced view of the powers affirmed in Jacobson and how that has changed over time to better protect individual liberty: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449224/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449224/ Note however that applies to individuals, not factories or places of business which are subject to much more regulation.
- nl 5y agoIronically, I believe this was overturning a law made by elected officials (on constitutional grounds)
- TomSwirly 5y agoIt makes me so sad that it's impossible to have a polite conversation these days without clinical paranoids popping in at every juncture to say, "COVID is a hoax! Public health officials are frauds! Medicine is meaningless!"
- fastball 5y agoHuh?
- nonameiguess 5y agoThe California Executive Order creating a shutdown was issued by the Governor, who is elected.
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- learningwebdev 5y ago> I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if someone is dumb or evil, you have to stop. I really like this, and I propose it be called "Kulak's Law".
- fao_ 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor is basically the same thing Also the word "kulak" is loaded - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
- cryptonector 5y agoWait, did you not just do that above, calling Musk not that bright?
- loceng 5y agoClearly they don't pay attention to what they say.
- pkulak 5y agoAs far as I know, when I made my first comment we weren’t yet debating dumb vs evil.
- cryptonector 5y agoIt was practically an invitation to though.
- DonHopkins 5y agoActing that dumb when you literally employ a huge team of top-notch rocket scientists to advise you is absolutely evil.
- akouri 5y agoTesla would have been dead if he had not brought the Fremont factory back online. I give him credit for this, as I think ignoring the “rules” was one of the smartest business moves ever made in 2020.
- martimarkov 5y agoWould you think the same way if it was your life on the line? Not livelihood. Live. I think when evaluating situations compassion for people's lives is a more important matter than economical wellbeing. (Even if it's their wellbeing)
- logicchains 5y agoMost of his workers were in an age group at negligible risk from covid; they'd be more likely to die in a road accident driving home.
- logicchains 5y agoWow, people here really hate statistics. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1/tables/3 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1... ; if you're aged under 34 (as are the majority of tech workers), in the USA you're almost ten times more likely to die from "other acccidental fatalities" (0.0032) than covid if you catch it (0.004). Note that to assess risk the covid IFR there should be multiplied by the chance of catching it, to make it more comparable with the other columns, so if the chance of catching covid is less than 50%, then overall you're also more likely to die in a traffic accident.
- logicchains 5y agoWhat's wrong downvoters, salty that you've been manipulated by the media to vastly overestimate the risk of covid for your age group? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shootings-kamala-harris-tax-deadline-2021.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shooting...
- koonsolo 5y agoIf you've done what Elon Musk has done, you're definitely not dumb. That's what I hate about people telling Trump is dumb. If you've done what he has done, he's definitely not dumb. Funny thing is that although I never liked Paris Hilton, I was pretty sure she was not that dumb (turned out she wasn't). The same story when I look at my Facebook feed. Plenty of smart people have all kinds of different views on Covid and vaccination. And all of them call the 'other group' dumb. Seems like political viewpoints have nothing to do with being smarter than someone else.
- SturgeonsLaw 5y agoIf it's true to say that there are different types of intelligence, then it's true to say that there are different types of dumb
- ptr2voidStar 5y agoInteresting comment. Never quite thought about it that way.
- PopsiclePete 5y agoIf you started your adult life with the same help from Daddy that Trump had - and did nothing, literally besides putting all of that money into an index fund - you’d be richer than Trump is today. They did the math. So what exactly are Trump’s accomplishments? It’s not like the dude started off selling hot dogs. He made a lot of shitty investments, lost a lot of money, and is one of the few people on this planet capable of bankrupting a casino. In Vegas. Yes he’s famous, of course, but his “look at me I’m a successful billionaire” image is all smoke and mirrors.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago> And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law not sure if there even can be a complete list with Musk but, let's also add: 1) privileged background thanks to emerald mining fortune made in apartheid South Africa, 2) union-busting and abusive employer, 3) hoarding $175.6 billion in stolen wages during a pandemic, 4) encouraged a coup
- bhelkey 5y ago> 3) hoarding $175.6 billion in stolen wages during a pandemic, I hadn't seen this before. Do you have an article diving into this number?