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"I've had (cis, white, male) friends tell me that they were basically promoted on potential and didn't have to actively go out of their way for several months t

"I've had (cis, white, male) friends tell me that they were basically promoted on potential and didn't have to actively go out of their way for several months to prove their performance. It'd be nice if that happened to the rest of us, but don't bet on it." Where is all this white privilege? I seem to have missed the boat (I have the correct pigmentation apparently). I had to provide value in order to be promoted / get raises and actually speak up and ask for it.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Where is all this white privilege? On Twitter.
eyelidlessness 5y ago
Just because a type of privilege exists doesn’t mean it’s universally applied or doesn’t coexist with other disadvantages that might dampen it. I’ve experienced biased treatment in my favor as a white person who presents male, and against me because I’m neurodivergent. I’ve also experienced fair treatment, and learned correction toward such, by leadership who value inclusion and listen. The author isn’t suggesting that all white cis men always get promoted based on potential without having to demonstrate the relevant qualifications consistently, but that it’s more likely. If you don’t think that’s true, there are a zillion studies that validate it. I say this because I’m a month and a half of weekends into writing what I thought would be a weekend blog post about addressing comp disparities, and so far all I have is a draft explaining why I chose the source I did. I’d be happy to link it, if you’re interested in learning more!
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  I'm curious and want to read one of these studies, can you share a link?
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    This is the one I ended up choosing to cite: https://hired.com/h/wage-inequality-report/ https://hired.com/h/wage-inequality-report/ I chose it because it addresses several other factors besides gender (it addressed all of the disparities I wanted to discuss except disability, and I haven't been able to find any that do discuss it), because it also focuses on comp disparities besides pay like expectations, and because it has a historical record for comparison.
TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago
It's just the narrative slant of the era. Going to be super embarrassing as time goes on, just be sure to remember.
- lwhi 5y ago
  You're being downvoted because you are dismissive of something you have no understanding of. I can say that with certainty, because you made the comment.
  - TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago
    I'm entirely dismissive of a worldview that is based on inherited guilt and various slants informed by soft sciences with known reproducibility issues. I make no apologies for it. I will continue to assume everyone lives unique lives.
    - lwhi 5y ago
      No. You're wrong. Inherited guilt makes it sound like it's a grievance someone chooses to wear like a coat. People suffer disadvantages brought by prejudice. You can make that choice, because you don't suffer the same. The fact you make these assertions via an account named 'tossaway' goes to show even you don't have courage in your convictions.
      - effingwewt 5y ago
        Ah yes the 'no true scotsman' gtfo, I see you are posting from an account different than your real name, so you lack imagination convictions. You cry about privileges and yet stomp on someone else's opinion based on...their name. Irony abounds.
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      - TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago

908B64B197 5y ago

> Where is all this white privilege? On Twitter.

eyelidlessness 5y ago

Just because a type of privilege exists doesn’t mean it’s universally applied or doesn’t coexist with other disadvantages that might dampen it. I’ve experienced biased treatment in my favor as a white person who presents male, and against me because I’m neurodivergent. I’ve also experienced fair treatment, and learned correction toward such, by leadership who value inclusion and listen. The author isn’t suggesting that all white cis men always get promoted based on potential without having to demonstrate the relevant qualifications consistently, but that it’s more likely. If you don’t think that’s true, there are a zillion studies that validate it. I say this because I’m a month and a half of weekends into writing what I thought would be a weekend blog post about addressing comp disparities, and so far all I have is a draft explaining why I chose the source I did. I’d be happy to link it, if you’re interested in learning more!

fighterpilot 5y ago
I'm curious and want to read one of these studies, can you share a link?
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  This is the one I ended up choosing to cite: https://hired.com/h/wage-inequality-report/ https://hired.com/h/wage-inequality-report/ I chose it because it addresses several other factors besides gender (it addressed all of the disparities I wanted to discuss except disability, and I haven't been able to find any that do discuss it), because it also focuses on comp disparities besides pay like expectations, and because it has a historical record for comparison.

TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago

It's just the narrative slant of the era. Going to be super embarrassing as time goes on, just be sure to remember.

lwhi 5y ago
You're being downvoted because you are dismissive of something you have no understanding of. I can say that with certainty, because you made the comment.
- TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago
  I'm entirely dismissive of a worldview that is based on inherited guilt and various slants informed by soft sciences with known reproducibility issues. I make no apologies for it. I will continue to assume everyone lives unique lives.
  - lwhi 5y ago
    No. You're wrong. Inherited guilt makes it sound like it's a grievance someone chooses to wear like a coat. People suffer disadvantages brought by prejudice. You can make that choice, because you don't suffer the same. The fact you make these assertions via an account named 'tossaway' goes to show even you don't have courage in your convictions.
    - effingwewt 5y ago
      Ah yes the 'no true scotsman' gtfo, I see you are posting from an account different than your real name, so you lack imagination convictions. You cry about privileges and yet stomp on someone else's opinion based on...their name. Irony abounds.
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    - TOSSAWAY_1 5y ago