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You're right about Asana -- but it's worth noting that RoamResearch ($100/yr) offers private, offline dbs, and Roam's OSS "vassal" app (ie, clone) AthensResearc

You're right about Asana -- but it's worth noting that RoamResearch ($100/yr) offers private, offline dbs, and Roam's OSS "vassal" app (ie, clone) AthensResearch is self-hosted and free-as-in-beer.

boraoztunc 5y ago
Obsidian (https://obsidian.md https://obsidian.md) also offers offline, + for free.
- rattray 5y ago
  Are either Roam or Obsidian collaborative?
  - hokumguru 5y ago
    Roam seems to be working on it. I’m unsure the status as I haven’t checked in a few months.
    - mbrock 5y ago
      I think Roam has been fully collaborative since the launch. The browser keeps the whole database in IndexedDB and syncs it continuously with a WebSocket streaming Datomic-style transactions.
  - chrisweekly 5y ago
    Roam: yes Obsidian: unsure (I think not)
  - boraoztunc 5y ago
    Not sure about Roam, I've been using Obsidian, and my purpose is for personal, making note archive offline. So never had any need for collaboration. But with Sync and Publish features, maybe there is a possibility.
- dancemethis 5y ago
  Zero cost but not Free Software. Another untrustworthy thing like Notion.
  - benrbray 5y ago
    I'm most saddened by the people who spend their time writing plugins for Notion / Roam (and to a lesser degree, Obsidian), providing extra value for free to a non-free product that will profit off the free labor. (or rather, I'm saddened that companies like Roam are so willing to exploit community engagement for a profit) Time would be better spent contributing to an open source alternative like Athens!
    - tangjeff0 5y ago
      Thank Ben :)
FlashBlaze 5y ago
Logseq https://github.com/logseq/logseq https://github.com/logseq/logseq is also a good OSS alternative and they're also working on collaborative feature I believe.
FalconSensei 5y ago
Roam's site[1] only mentions $165/yr. The 5 year plan is $500, but then... if you stop using it after a year, you would have paid $500 for 1 year of usage. If you're thinking of no lock-in, you need to see the monthly price, which is $15 month, way more expensive (for personal use) than anything notion has (free/$4/$8 per month) [1]: https://roamresearch.com/ https://roamresearch.com/

You're right about Asana -- but it's worth noting that RoamResearch ($100/yr) offers private, offline dbs, and Roam's OSS "vassal" app (ie, clone) AthensResearch is self-hosted and free-as-in-beer.

boraoztunc 5y ago

Obsidian (https://obsidian.md https://obsidian.md) also offers offline, + for free.

rattray 5y ago
Are either Roam or Obsidian collaborative?
- hokumguru 5y ago
  Roam seems to be working on it. I’m unsure the status as I haven’t checked in a few months.
  - mbrock 5y ago
    I think Roam has been fully collaborative since the launch. The browser keeps the whole database in IndexedDB and syncs it continuously with a WebSocket streaming Datomic-style transactions.
- chrisweekly 5y ago
  Roam: yes Obsidian: unsure (I think not)
- boraoztunc 5y ago
  Not sure about Roam, I've been using Obsidian, and my purpose is for personal, making note archive offline. So never had any need for collaboration. But with Sync and Publish features, maybe there is a possibility.
dancemethis 5y ago
Zero cost but not Free Software. Another untrustworthy thing like Notion.
- benrbray 5y ago
  I'm most saddened by the people who spend their time writing plugins for Notion / Roam (and to a lesser degree, Obsidian), providing extra value for free to a non-free product that will profit off the free labor. (or rather, I'm saddened that companies like Roam are so willing to exploit community engagement for a profit) Time would be better spent contributing to an open source alternative like Athens!
  - tangjeff0 5y ago
    Thank Ben :)

FlashBlaze 5y ago

Logseq https://github.com/logseq/logseq https://github.com/logseq/logseq is also a good OSS alternative and they're also working on collaborative feature I believe.

FalconSensei 5y ago

Roam's site[1] only mentions $165/yr. The 5 year plan is $500, but then... if you stop using it after a year, you would have paid $500 for 1 year of usage. If you're thinking of no lock-in, you need to see the monthly price, which is $15 month, way more expensive (for personal use) than anything notion has (free/$4/$8 per month) [1]: https://roamresearch.com/ https://roamresearch.com/