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>Trump was never going to act against these interests even if he’d wanted to given all the other aspects he was embroiled in. Yet another person completely una

>Trump was never going to act against these interests even if he’d wanted to given all the other aspects he was embroiled in. Yet another person completely unaware that Trump let the Patriot Act expire: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/house-vote-fisa/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/house-vote-fisa/inde... Can't say I'm surprised, the left didn't want to make huge news about it because it made Trump look good (and the establishment left supports the Patriot Act), and the right establishment/military supports the Patriot Act as well so they didn't want to raise a hubbub about it.

howenterprisey 5y ago
Just in case anyone sees that and thinks it was due to any sort of principles or concerns about mass surveillance, a quote from the article: "Thank you to our GREAT Republican Congressmen & Congresswomen on your incredibly important blockage last night of a FISA Bill that would just perpetuate the abuse that produced the Greatest Political Crime In the History of the U.S., the Russian Witch-Hunt. Fantastic Job!"
- koolba 5y ago
  Who would have a better understanding of the issue at hand than someone who’s campaign was spied on by political operatives leveraging FISA powers?
  - throwaway8581 5y ago
    Umm, orange man bad.
  - howenterprisey 5y ago
    The campaign was certainly surveilled. Have you seen any indication it was unwarranted? I found https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/doj-fbi-review-of-surveillance-applications-finds-almost-all-errors-are-minor-391101 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/doj-fbi-review-of-s..., which suggests nothing untoward was going on. As I said, I don't think Trump was approaching this in a particularly well-considered way.
    - koolba 5y ago
      > The campaign was certainly surveilled. Have you seen any indication it was unwarranted? If it was any other campaign and there was sigint that a foreign power was trying to influence the campaign then they would have reached out to the candidate to alert him as such. But the intention here was not to prevent foreign tampering. It was to use the FISA process as an excuse to surveil the campaign wholesale.
      - mtberatwork 5y ago
        That's not entirely true either. The Trump campaign did receive intelligence briefings in 2016 and there is evidence, although no official confirmation, that Russia was discussed. [1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/20/did-fbi-warn-trump-campaign-about-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/20/did-fbi-w...
- iammisc 5y ago
  Well good. The Russian Witch Hunt was an illegal spying against an American president, who is also an American citizen. While it's not the best look I guess, at some point, I guess the president himself will need to be affected by this shit before they finally get rid of it.
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howenterprisey 5y ago

Just in case anyone sees that and thinks it was due to any sort of principles or concerns about mass surveillance, a quote from the article: "Thank you to our GREAT Republican Congressmen & Congresswomen on your incredibly important blockage last night of a FISA Bill that would just perpetuate the abuse that produced the Greatest Political Crime In the History of the U.S., the Russian Witch-Hunt. Fantastic Job!"

koolba 5y ago
Who would have a better understanding of the issue at hand than someone who’s campaign was spied on by political operatives leveraging FISA powers?
- throwaway8581 5y ago
  Umm, orange man bad.
- howenterprisey 5y ago
  The campaign was certainly surveilled. Have you seen any indication it was unwarranted? I found https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/doj-fbi-review-of-surveillance-applications-finds-almost-all-errors-are-minor-391101 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/doj-fbi-review-of-s..., which suggests nothing untoward was going on. As I said, I don't think Trump was approaching this in a particularly well-considered way.
  - koolba 5y ago
    > The campaign was certainly surveilled. Have you seen any indication it was unwarranted? If it was any other campaign and there was sigint that a foreign power was trying to influence the campaign then they would have reached out to the candidate to alert him as such. But the intention here was not to prevent foreign tampering. It was to use the FISA process as an excuse to surveil the campaign wholesale.
    - mtberatwork 5y ago
      That's not entirely true either. The Trump campaign did receive intelligence briefings in 2016 and there is evidence, although no official confirmation, that Russia was discussed. [1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/20/did-fbi-warn-trump-campaign-about-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/20/did-fbi-w...
iammisc 5y ago
Well good. The Russian Witch Hunt was an illegal spying against an American president, who is also an American citizen. While it's not the best look I guess, at some point, I guess the president himself will need to be affected by this shit before they finally get rid of it.

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