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I think it would be better to figure out how to establish self sufficient colonies capable of growth and replication without assistance. Starting out on planets

I think it would be better to figure out how to establish self sufficient colonies capable of growth and replication without assistance. Starting out on planets and moons then in space. We could colonize the entire solar system by the time a measurable change has been made to the content of the martian atmosphere (if it's possible at all).

capableweb 5y ago
> better to figure out how to establish self sufficient colonies capable of growth and replication without assistance Before we do that on planets and moons, what if we do it right here on Earth? Still large parts of the world are reliant on assistance from other "colonies", and there seems to be a human problem as the cause rather than technological or logistical problem.
- gnarbarian 5y ago
  I think you're talking about reversing globalism. I honestly think it's easier to develop space colonies than reverse globally entrenched political positions. If we don't spread out there is a 100% chance we will all die given enough time. There are political forces aligned with your position which would seek to redirect any efforts back towards earth. If those ideas become entrenched we will never escape this planet and we will be forever subjugated and enslaved by its political machinations. With increased population density we always see more bureaucracy and authoritarian government and fewer freedoms and less autonomy.
  - foreigner 5y ago
    No, you're talking about transcending globalism by moving off or globe!
    - gnarbarian 5y ago
      Basically I just want to blast off into space where people won't annoy me.
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    Globalism has been reversed in the past. It's not some end state of humanity. Globalism => increased interdependence => increased fragility => collapse => localism => generate surplus from local institutions => increased profit opportunities from trade => globalism

capableweb 5y ago

> better to figure out how to establish self sufficient colonies capable of growth and replication without assistance Before we do that on planets and moons, what if we do it right here on Earth? Still large parts of the world are reliant on assistance from other "colonies", and there seems to be a human problem as the cause rather than technological or logistical problem.

gnarbarian 5y ago
I think you're talking about reversing globalism. I honestly think it's easier to develop space colonies than reverse globally entrenched political positions. If we don't spread out there is a 100% chance we will all die given enough time. There are political forces aligned with your position which would seek to redirect any efforts back towards earth. If those ideas become entrenched we will never escape this planet and we will be forever subjugated and enslaved by its political machinations. With increased population density we always see more bureaucracy and authoritarian government and fewer freedoms and less autonomy.
- foreigner 5y ago
  No, you're talking about transcending globalism by moving off or globe!
  - gnarbarian 5y ago
    Basically I just want to blast off into space where people won't annoy me.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  Globalism has been reversed in the past. It's not some end state of humanity. Globalism => increased interdependence => increased fragility => collapse => localism => generate surplus from local institutions => increased profit opportunities from trade => globalism