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Apart from the HN growd + a few more, I think more users likely just don't care about options to host data.

by kyawzazaw 5y ago

breakfastduck 5y ago
Many regulated organizations do, though. Single reason we didn't adopt notion is lack of ability to self host.
- pfd1986 5y ago
  Same for my org. We'd have the entire team move, if self host was an option.
- jamiequint 5y ago
  Out of curiosity what do you use for documents and email? Not using Office365/Google Docs/Outlook/Gmail at all?
  - mafro 5y ago
    In my experience, you will find this kind of org uses Office365/Outlook, and not Gsuite/Gmail, as they have in place a commercial agreement with Microsoft which covers regulatory requirements put upon them (and some they put upon themselves). Of course they could _try_ to get an agreeable contract in place with Google, but Microsoft is Enterprise-friendly and can make this happen much more readily.
    - TechBro8615 5y ago
      We use Microsoft over Google simply because they are not an advertising company.
    - jamiequint 5y ago
      That's still not self-hosted though ...
      - breakfastduck 5y ago
        Hes right though, certainly in our case. Microsoft has been deeply embedded in the org for years and they can certainly give stronger contractual assurances than Notion can.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    We use plenty of cloud stuff, I guess that wasn't clear from my initial comment. We use Office 365 & teams for our 'business' teams, Slack for tech teams & Monday.com for our 'Jira'. The business has evolved from on prem exchange so its natural a trust in MS is embedded. I wanted notion to get out of document hell. Legacy business with many spreadsheets and word documents. With notion it wasn't the cloud being the issue, we run all in house software & DBs in AWS. But some startup from San Fransisco offering a platform with notable downtime / performance issues and no direct ownership of DBs was an issue for something like a wiki where you want to be able to publish sensitive information, ip etc. We're in a regulated industry so compliance & security input is ultra relevant. Sharepoint is a fucking abomination, it's what was previously used. Notion makes a perfect wiki solution. If it had a self hosted option we'd have adopted it. It was turned down, and fairly so, by our ops team for the hosting situation. There's no reason for something as *simple* as a wiki should be completely outsourced. Portability is a factor too. We chose wikiJS in the end. Great wiki but terrible writing experience. Tend to write everything in an external markdown editor and just copy it in.
codemac 5y ago
They totally care about their data though.
TechBro8615 5y ago
It’s probably a Pareto distribution like anything else. Maybe 20% of users care about it enough to pay for a 4x more expensive plan. I’d be curious to read more about what their architecture looks like now and how they’re planning to evolve it to fit their priorities.
disordinary 5y ago
I'd imagine the HN crowd cares less than executives at large organisations and government departments. There's a requirements for industries and businesses to either own their own data or keep that data onshored in their jurisdictions.

Apart from the HN growd + a few more, I think more users likely just don't care about options to host data.

breakfastduck 5y ago

Many regulated organizations do, though. Single reason we didn't adopt notion is lack of ability to self host.

pfd1986 5y ago
Same for my org. We'd have the entire team move, if self host was an option.
jamiequint 5y ago
Out of curiosity what do you use for documents and email? Not using Office365/Google Docs/Outlook/Gmail at all?
- mafro 5y ago
  In my experience, you will find this kind of org uses Office365/Outlook, and not Gsuite/Gmail, as they have in place a commercial agreement with Microsoft which covers regulatory requirements put upon them (and some they put upon themselves). Of course they could _try_ to get an agreeable contract in place with Google, but Microsoft is Enterprise-friendly and can make this happen much more readily.
  - TechBro8615 5y ago
    We use Microsoft over Google simply because they are not an advertising company.
  - jamiequint 5y ago
    That's still not self-hosted though ...
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      Hes right though, certainly in our case. Microsoft has been deeply embedded in the org for years and they can certainly give stronger contractual assurances than Notion can.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  We use plenty of cloud stuff, I guess that wasn't clear from my initial comment. We use Office 365 & teams for our 'business' teams, Slack for tech teams & Monday.com for our 'Jira'. The business has evolved from on prem exchange so its natural a trust in MS is embedded. I wanted notion to get out of document hell. Legacy business with many spreadsheets and word documents. With notion it wasn't the cloud being the issue, we run all in house software & DBs in AWS. But some startup from San Fransisco offering a platform with notable downtime / performance issues and no direct ownership of DBs was an issue for something like a wiki where you want to be able to publish sensitive information, ip etc. We're in a regulated industry so compliance & security input is ultra relevant. Sharepoint is a fucking abomination, it's what was previously used. Notion makes a perfect wiki solution. If it had a self hosted option we'd have adopted it. It was turned down, and fairly so, by our ops team for the hosting situation. There's no reason for something as *simple* as a wiki should be completely outsourced. Portability is a factor too. We chose wikiJS in the end. Great wiki but terrible writing experience. Tend to write everything in an external markdown editor and just copy it in.

codemac 5y ago

They totally care about their data though.

TechBro8615 5y ago

It’s probably a Pareto distribution like anything else. Maybe 20% of users care about it enough to pay for a 4x more expensive plan. I’d be curious to read more about what their architecture looks like now and how they’re planning to evolve it to fit their priorities.

disordinary 5y ago

I'd imagine the HN crowd cares less than executives at large organisations and government departments. There's a requirements for industries and businesses to either own their own data or keep that data onshored in their jurisdictions.