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There is very little that can be done to stop someone who is intentionally trying to violate safety checks. Sadly, the folks who try to ultimately make things w

by jsight 5y ago

There is very little that can be done to stop someone who is intentionally trying to violate safety checks. Sadly, the folks who try to ultimately make things worse for all of us.

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SigmundA 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth_(non-military) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth_(non-military... If its just a steering wheel check then all he needs to do is put his foot on the wheel, which looks like what he did. If it had a weight sensor in seat then he would also need a heavy enough weight. If there is also an attention tracking camera then that has to be fooled as well. No system is perfect it also doesn't mean more couldn't be done, the more friction you add the less people will do it, especially just casual offenders who just jump in the back seat and use a foot to try it out. How much should be done is an open debate, I am just trying to find out what a Tesla currently does.
- detaro 5y ago
  report on some tests about this: https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engineers-show-tesla-will-drive-with-no-one-in-drivers-seat/ https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engine...
- jsight 5y ago
  The problem is that this overthinks the problem. There are basically three classes of people in play here: - The jokesters that manipulate the vehicle with a foot or something. There are very few of these in general, as there really isn't a benefit to the operator. - The sleepers - These seem to be happening too often with Teslas. It seems like face/head tracking could fix it. - The movie watchers - These can trivially defeat both the eye tracking style approaches and the possibly a camera based approach as well. - The unfocused, tired, or otherwise slightly distracted. This is by far the biggest group. To maximize safety, these things need to focus on shaping behavior, not on stopping determined and willfully dangerous adversaries.
kordlessagain 5y ago
I doubt any of this is true.

by jsight 5y ago

There is very little that can be done to stop someone who is intentionally trying to violate safety checks. Sadly, the folks who try to ultimately make things worse for all of us.

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SigmundA 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth_(non-military) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_in_depth_(non-military... If its just a steering wheel check then all he needs to do is put his foot on the wheel, which looks like what he did. If it had a weight sensor in seat then he would also need a heavy enough weight. If there is also an attention tracking camera then that has to be fooled as well. No system is perfect it also doesn't mean more couldn't be done, the more friction you add the less people will do it, especially just casual offenders who just jump in the back seat and use a foot to try it out. How much should be done is an open debate, I am just trying to find out what a Tesla currently does.

detaro 5y ago
report on some tests about this: https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engineers-show-tesla-will-drive-with-no-one-in-drivers-seat/ https://www.consumerreports.org/autonomous-driving/cr-engine...
jsight 5y ago
The problem is that this overthinks the problem. There are basically three classes of people in play here: - The jokesters that manipulate the vehicle with a foot or something. There are very few of these in general, as there really isn't a benefit to the operator. - The sleepers - These seem to be happening too often with Teslas. It seems like face/head tracking could fix it. - The movie watchers - These can trivially defeat both the eye tracking style approaches and the possibly a camera based approach as well. - The unfocused, tired, or otherwise slightly distracted. This is by far the biggest group. To maximize safety, these things need to focus on shaping behavior, not on stopping determined and willfully dangerous adversaries.

kordlessagain 5y ago

I doubt any of this is true.