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I'm not even joking when I say this, for some companies, it would literally be cheaper to buy your IE users a new computer. Obviously, for enterprise customers,

I'm not even joking when I say this, for some companies, it would literally be cheaper to buy your IE users a new computer. Obviously, for enterprise customers, who are likely to be the majority of IE 11 users, you can't necessarily do that (though think about if you can).

ipaddr 5y ago
It is not the computer that requires ie11 it awful software like remedy or legacy crystal reports or some professional healthcare vendor product.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  IE pre-Edge is best thought of as a built-in UI library that shipped with Windows, not a browser. When you add that + longevity in deeply integrated enterprise software, everything makes more sense.
  - 7952 5y ago
    You could have some kind of wrapper that installs legacy web sites as a separate app and starts a locked down embedded IE with a set of security policies.
    - woodrowbarlow 5y ago
      derelictron
    - ocdtrekkie 5y ago
      That's effectively what the Edge team built for legacy IE app support.
- thatsnotmepls 5y ago
  But if that is the case, why simply not install a separate browser along with IE11?
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    From what I have seen supporting one browser is easier and maybe more sane for the IT department. I've seen chrome standard but certain employees get IE 7,8,9,10,11 and they use it for everything.
  - batrat 5y ago
    Users are dumb thats why. We literally have to make 4-5 shortcuts with iexpore.exe website.net and another one with chrome.exe website2.net and rename them accordingly. Some vendors have their web app work only with firefox and an old version like 20+ /:. Not to upset any dev but really trying to put some fancy stuff and a bunch of frameworks in a piece of software that does one thing and has to work 24/7 is really a bad ideea.
    - mattmanser 5y ago
      There's good reasons why these exist, and it's got zero to do with dev competence. In 2005 your employer asks for internal app, says you've got to use kendo or some such UI framework. Or maybe they want an autocomplete drop-down and you picked one that in the future will turn out to be not standards compliant. Or you were asked to use the stylesheet from another project to get them to look the same and that's not compliant. But you don't even know, as it only has to work on IE8 as that's all that's available to your users. You make it. It works fine. Fast forward to 2015, no-ones touched the app in 10 years, the SVN server the code was on has been thrown away, and it's either rewrite the whole thing or force everyone to keep on using IE8. That's what generally happened, not dev incompetence.
    - syshum 5y ago
      >Users are dumb thats why. We literally have to make 4-5 shortcuts with iexpore.exe website.net and another one with chrome.exe website2.net and rename them accordingly. Edge in Enterprise Mode solves this as you provide edge with a list of sites that need IE, then Edge will automatically open those sites in IE Tab (or in previous versions of Edge, redirect the user automatically to IE)
coding123 5y ago
No joke. If you think about the computers that would need replacement, say purchased in 2010, could literally be replaced with some microcomputer that fully wipes and resets itself between logins that runs some desktop linux. These things are capable of driving a screen, keyboard and mouse and can connect to the internet - we've boiled down what a computer is to a re-settable science at this point - there's no need for a big ass tower with fans in it anymore.
- kevincox 5y ago
  I think you just described ChromeOS.
some-guy 5y ago
It's not the computer that's the problem, it's the IT policy. Our Asian enterprise customers use IE11 by a staggering majority, even with Edge installed on their machine.
newhotelowner 5y ago
Its not the computer. WE have a application that only runs on IE11. Our computers are windows 10. We use edge/chrome for everything else but 1 application still runs on IE11.

ipaddr 5y ago

It is not the computer that requires ie11 it awful software like remedy or legacy crystal reports or some professional healthcare vendor product.

ethbr0 5y ago
IE pre-Edge is best thought of as a built-in UI library that shipped with Windows, not a browser. When you add that + longevity in deeply integrated enterprise software, everything makes more sense.
- 7952 5y ago
  You could have some kind of wrapper that installs legacy web sites as a separate app and starts a locked down embedded IE with a set of security policies.
  - woodrowbarlow 5y ago
    derelictron
  - ocdtrekkie 5y ago
    That's effectively what the Edge team built for legacy IE app support.
thatsnotmepls 5y ago
But if that is the case, why simply not install a separate browser along with IE11?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  From what I have seen supporting one browser is easier and maybe more sane for the IT department. I've seen chrome standard but certain employees get IE 7,8,9,10,11 and they use it for everything.
- batrat 5y ago
  Users are dumb thats why. We literally have to make 4-5 shortcuts with iexpore.exe website.net and another one with chrome.exe website2.net and rename them accordingly. Some vendors have their web app work only with firefox and an old version like 20+ /:. Not to upset any dev but really trying to put some fancy stuff and a bunch of frameworks in a piece of software that does one thing and has to work 24/7 is really a bad ideea.
  - mattmanser 5y ago
    There's good reasons why these exist, and it's got zero to do with dev competence. In 2005 your employer asks for internal app, says you've got to use kendo or some such UI framework. Or maybe they want an autocomplete drop-down and you picked one that in the future will turn out to be not standards compliant. Or you were asked to use the stylesheet from another project to get them to look the same and that's not compliant. But you don't even know, as it only has to work on IE8 as that's all that's available to your users. You make it. It works fine. Fast forward to 2015, no-ones touched the app in 10 years, the SVN server the code was on has been thrown away, and it's either rewrite the whole thing or force everyone to keep on using IE8. That's what generally happened, not dev incompetence.
  - syshum 5y ago
    >Users are dumb thats why. We literally have to make 4-5 shortcuts with iexpore.exe website.net and another one with chrome.exe website2.net and rename them accordingly. Edge in Enterprise Mode solves this as you provide edge with a list of sites that need IE, then Edge will automatically open those sites in IE Tab (or in previous versions of Edge, redirect the user automatically to IE)

coding123 5y ago

No joke. If you think about the computers that would need replacement, say purchased in 2010, could literally be replaced with some microcomputer that fully wipes and resets itself between logins that runs some desktop linux. These things are capable of driving a screen, keyboard and mouse and can connect to the internet - we've boiled down what a computer is to a re-settable science at this point - there's no need for a big ass tower with fans in it anymore.

kevincox 5y ago
I think you just described ChromeOS.

some-guy 5y ago

It's not the computer that's the problem, it's the IT policy. Our Asian enterprise customers use IE11 by a staggering majority, even with Edge installed on their machine.

newhotelowner 5y ago

Its not the computer. WE have a application that only runs on IE11. Our computers are windows 10. We use edge/chrome for everything else but 1 application still runs on IE11.