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I don't see where the parens are on the keyboard. No number row. Is it another shift/fn level down?

dTal 5y ago
Fn + K/L I think it's a strange choice not to have them be first class, unshifted characters - and yet have such a dizzying array of modifier keys.
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- nerdponx 5y ago
  This looks like a Vortex Core keyboard, with the default layout.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  Custom keyboards often seem to follow different rules when it comes to ergonomics and intuitive keybindings. I have my arrow keys on Fn+h/j/k/l and they're much faster and more comfortable to reach than on any standard keyboard. I have my number row behind the Fn key and yet I'm faster and more accurate at entering numbers because the physical keys are placed better. It's very hard to predict how well a key combination works. Also, tiny keyboards are usually programmable, so the key labels might not be correct. If your layout is custom enough it becomes very hard to find keycaps which match the setup(and basically impossible if you don't want to wait >6 months).
- lallysingh 5y ago
  Fn + home row isn't bad.
- fouric 5y ago
  I agree with you. I also think that the keyboard was likely designed to be familiar to those comfortable with the standardized keyboard layout, as opposed to being efficient. From an efficiency perspective, there's a lot that you can improve on, both in the general case (layout for English typing) and in the special case of Lisp programming - but I don't think that was their goal. I wouldn't buy one of these myself, but I can understand why someone else would. As a software hack, there's always Shift Parentheses[1]. [1] https://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/a-modern-space-cadet/#s17-shift-parentheses https://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/a-modern-space-cadet/#s17...
  - sedachv 5y ago
    > As a software hack, there's always Shift Parentheses On any PC keyboard, just swap parentheses with square or curly brackets. That is way more useful even if you never program in Lisp. One of several things the Lisp Machine keyboard layouts did well.
ynniv 5y ago
I bet Shift plus one of the two sides of that spacebar would do nicely.
valyagolev 5y ago
perhaps the idea is to use paredit that mostly manages them for you

dTal 5y ago

Fn + K/L I think it's a strange choice not to have them be first class, unshifted characters - and yet have such a dizzying array of modifier keys.

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nerdponx 5y ago
This looks like a Vortex Core keyboard, with the default layout.
alpaca128 5y ago
Custom keyboards often seem to follow different rules when it comes to ergonomics and intuitive keybindings. I have my arrow keys on Fn+h/j/k/l and they're much faster and more comfortable to reach than on any standard keyboard. I have my number row behind the Fn key and yet I'm faster and more accurate at entering numbers because the physical keys are placed better. It's very hard to predict how well a key combination works. Also, tiny keyboards are usually programmable, so the key labels might not be correct. If your layout is custom enough it becomes very hard to find keycaps which match the setup(and basically impossible if you don't want to wait >6 months).
lallysingh 5y ago
Fn + home row isn't bad.
fouric 5y ago
I agree with you. I also think that the keyboard was likely designed to be familiar to those comfortable with the standardized keyboard layout, as opposed to being efficient. From an efficiency perspective, there's a lot that you can improve on, both in the general case (layout for English typing) and in the special case of Lisp programming - but I don't think that was their goal. I wouldn't buy one of these myself, but I can understand why someone else would. As a software hack, there's always Shift Parentheses[1]. [1] https://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/a-modern-space-cadet/#s17-shift-parentheses https://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/a-modern-space-cadet/#s17...
- sedachv 5y ago
  > As a software hack, there's always Shift Parentheses On any PC keyboard, just swap parentheses with square or curly brackets. That is way more useful even if you never program in Lisp. One of several things the Lisp Machine keyboard layouts did well.

ynniv 5y ago

I bet Shift plus one of the two sides of that spacebar would do nicely.

valyagolev 5y ago

perhaps the idea is to use paredit that mostly manages them for you