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The fact that ENEL is owned by the employers of the ruling judges is just a coincidence.
by genericacct 5y ago
The fact that ENEL is owned by the employers of the ruling judges is just a coincidence.
- mikro2nd 5y agoAre you suggesting that the Italian judiciary is incapable of acting independently and impartially?
- saddlerustle 5y agoThe majority of italians rate the independence of courts to be poor, which is among the lowest ratings in the EU [1] [1] https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/justice_scoreboard_2017_en.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/justice_scoreboar...
- riffraff 5y agothis is because they think the courts are politicized, not because the judiciary takes input from the government. In fact there has been a constant conflict between judges and government for the last 30 years.
- anoncake 5y agoDoesn't that mean the judiciary is independent, but biased?
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- riffraff 5y agoIt's hard to say, certainly some investigations have appeared political, but in US terms there is distrust against "public attorneys" rather than against judges (and Italy permits one to change career between the two). But what I meant to say is that one political side have complained about judges for 30 years, which has impacted the public opinion. See the effects Trump has had on institutional trust in the US, and make it last 5 mandates.
- toyg 5y agoKinda. The judicial branch is rigorously separated from the other two, but it self-organises in a way that often replicates the ideological groups emerging in regular politics (they have their own little parliament, basically). When the postwar political equilibrium crumbled under the weight of its own corruption and Berlusconi got in power, effectively altering the ideological landscape, the judiciary “class” did not immediately follow, since most of them saw the guy as a dodgy felon (which was technically correct); and things have been a bit hairy ever since.
- ClumsyPilot 5y agoIt would be good to see objective metrics, like how much conviction depends on wealth, etc
- unobtaniumstool 5y agoItaly also ranks between Grenada and Saudi Arabia in terms of corruption. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/ita https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/ita
- carlob 5y agoProbably due to Berlusconi and Salvini trying to escape their legal troubles by calling the judges communists.
- easytiger 5y agoItaly is about as broken and corrupt as many African dumps
- matsemann 5y agoJust like all judges and prosecutors are employed by the people?
- carlob 5y agoENEL has been privatized a long time ago and the Italian government has just a plurality stake.
- permo-w 5y agojust a plurality? wouldn’t a plurality make them the controlling shareholder?
- kosievdmerwe 5y agoPlurality means largest stake, but that stake is less than 50%. So it means that they have a lot of say, but they can be overridden if every other shareholder disagrees.
- permo-w 5y agoisn’t the controlling shareholder generally the shareholder with the largest portion?
- kosievdmerwe 5y agoAFAIK controlling shareholder means that the shareholder has more than 50% of the voting power. They or the group they belong to have unilateral control of the company barring some restrictions. Though looking at this a large but not 50%+ stake can also be "controlling": https://www.upcounsel.com/controlling-shareholder https://www.upcounsel.com/controlling-shareholder But controlling looks to more about how much voting power and influence you have rather than how many shares, because remember companies can have different classes of shares.
- artiszt 5y agoassuming this to be true and of factual, in praxi [thus procedural], significance in this case, then of course Google hasn't done any wrong ?