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"Among steps that the authors recommend pregnant women and mothers take to protect themselves are avoiding greaseproof carryout food packaging, stain guards lik
by ArkanExplorer 5y ago
"Among steps that the authors recommend pregnant women and mothers take to protect themselves are avoiding greaseproof carryout food packaging, stain guards like ScotchGard, waterproof clothing that uses PFAS, and cooking products with Teflon or similar non-stick properties, though manufacturers often do not disclose the chemicals’ use."
I wish Governments would do their jobs and simply ban PFAS in all products used for domestic purposes. This is a huge burden to place on individual consumers.
- DoingIsLearning 5y ago> Avoid ...waterproof clothing that uses PFAS Are they breathing in rain-proof coating? Are they rubbing it on their hands and ingesting it? Is it in the household air and it makes no difference to not wear it if someone in the household else wears it? The mechanism is not made very clear.
- dzhiurgis 5y agoWiki says household dust is indeed one of the sources...
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoThe stuff gets brittle over time. Had a windjacket for bicycling where this happened after about a year of usage. Then, one day coming home, out of the rain, pulling it off I wondered what all those tiny white flakes on my shirt were? Didn't even realise it until I discovered it was that white inner lining :-)
- driverdan 5y agoAll of the above. The coating wears off over time. It can be absorbed through the skin or breathed in as dust.
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoIs there, any info on the magnitude of these effects? As in wearing a North Face jacket versus eating from a pizza box every couple of months?
- driverdan 5y agoFrom what I've seen there isn't enough research to know for certain. There is correlation with the issues mentioned in the article but I don't think any research has confirmed the pathway for negative effects or the doses necessary to cause them.
- fodmap 5y agoThat burden is well documented in the movie 'Dark Waters' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Waters_(2019_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Waters_(2019_film). I really don't understand how some companies are getting off scot-free.
- spodek 5y agoAlso watch The Devil We Know, which you can watch free at ThoughtMaybe: https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-devil-we-know https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-devil-we-know. The Intercept and New York Times cover the issue well. Robert Bilott's book Exposure https://www.amazon.com/Exposure-Be-Confirmed/dp/1501172816 https://www.amazon.com/Exposure-Be-Confirmed/dp/1501172816 covers the story of the lawyer who successfully sued DuPont and is continuing that legal pursuit. I also recommend my podcast with Robert Bilott: https://joshuaspodek.com/guests/robert-bilott https://joshuaspodek.com/guests/robert-bilott
- fodmap 5y agoDownloading your podcast now. Thank you.
- exhilaration 5y agoDoes anyone know what greaseproof carryout food packaging includes?
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- layoutIfNeeded 5y agoAny kind of food wrapping paper or food box.
- londons_explore 5y agoThe same kind of peel off paper backing that stickers come on. Some people would call it "wax paper", although I don't think any wax is involved anymore...
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoSo you mean those paper food boxes with a 'fat' resistant coating? That's pretty much all takeaway food boxes, no?
- londons_explore 5y agoYes.
- fy20 5y agoIt depends on where you get it from, but in general it seems like it's the same stuff. https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/potentially-hazardous-pfas-found-in-fast-food-packaging-report-finds/ https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/p... Cups are typically coated with polyethylene to make them waterproof, but I think I read somewhere that they are then coated with PTFE to make them slide apart easier when stacked.
- boringg 5y agoThe level of PFAs during the pandemic must have just skyrocketed if this packaging is indeed a culprit.
- CompMan411 5y agoI don’t know why they wouldn’t mention parabens and pthalates which are used in all sorts of cosmetics and self care products and don’t have to be listed as ingredients, often just showing up as “fragrance”. They are ‘forever’ and hormone disrupters. Pretty scary stuff.
- sizzle 5y agoWhat about “natural” flavors in ingredients. Always wonder what they are adding to Lacroix flavored water and other things we are ingesting.
- mensetmanusman 5y agoPFAS is as broad of a term as ‘nuclear’ in a sense. There are a range of different half-lives from hours to 10 years [1] (The term ‘forever chemical’ points to the 10 years-type that bioaccumulate). The ons that have been identified with these long half-life properties have not been manufactured for many years (but they are still around due to their long half-lives). [1]https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp200-c1.pdf https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp200-c1.pdf
- giantg2 5y agoHours aren't too bad. Although we would still need to understand if they cause any issues in the body. Anything with a half life of a year or more is concerning due to the near continual exposure. You'll accumulate it faster than you'll get rid of it.
- filoeleven 5y agoEndocrine disrupters (which these are) are bad at any level. Don’t use alcohol-based disinfectants after handling heat-printed receipts, it makes the BPA absorption rate through your skin go way up.
- giantg2 5y agoSoy is an endocrine disruptor and it's ok to eat in moderation. The same is true of fish with it's dioxin and mercury. They aren't required to be eliminated, but minimized. I would be much more concerned with the duration of exposure (halflife) when working to reduce exposure given that it's impossible to completely eliminate.
- gruez 5y ago>avoiding [...] cooking products with Teflon or similar non-stick properties I thought most/all of the PFAS is released during manufacture and not when it's being used? edit: wikipedia says >Despite DuPont's asserting that "cookware coated with DuPont Teflon non-stick coatings does not contain PFOA",[91] residual PFOA was also detected in finished PTFE products including PTFE cookware (4–75 parts per billion).[87] However, PFOA levels ranged from undetectable (<1.5) to 4.3 parts per billion in a more recent study.[48] Also, non-stick cookware is heated—which should volatilize PFOA; PTFE products that are not heated, such as PTFE sealant tape, had higher (1800 parts per billion) levels detected.[92] Overall, PTFE cookware is considered an insignificant exposure pathway to PFOA.[93][94]
- driverdan 5y agoA universal ban doesn't make sense but removing it from all food products does.
- mc32 5y agoSo... are “ceramic” coatings ok? And are we back to styrofoam packaging to be safe?